'71 up PLymouth Hurst pistol grip shifter options

[jimbob101]

Howdy!
Am getting the engine/trans setup together for my '72 Satellite project! I am going with a bucket seat with center console..

I have the rods/linkage/shifter mount pad for a '71-72 console shifter that will work with the rear pad on the transmission. Will a shift gate from a bench seat hurst shift gate work? Pic attached, I know that the shifter uses the front pad with the dog bone. Or do I have to use a specific shifter for the larger/longer rods?

I also have the short pistol grip shifter for a console setup..

I also have a shift gate for a non console car but I don't think the rods fit in those... Thoughts? What a pain..

-JImbo

 

[71airgrabberRR]

The shifter assembly you have pictured is for a car with a bench seat. If you are going to use bucket seats you will need a different shifter mounting pad, shifter rods and short style pistol grip handle. Also make sure you get the proper floor pan hump. There is one style for a bench seat and another for a console.
Hope this helps.

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[nstyle73]

I am doing basically the same swap, a four speed into a console car and thus far it has been difficult to get a grasp on EXACTLY what parts are needed. The console hump is available from AMD, the shifter is available from Hurst for less than most guys want for a used one, and the rods are probably available new but most don't list whether they are console or bench, or bucket with buddy seat. I also have not found a good guide for hump placement so if you find that, please post. Trial and error seems less than ideal.

 

[moparmarks]

Actually it is bucket shifter. The console was and option.

 

[YY1]

If the OP, or anyone else has the bench seat mount for the shifter, I'm very interested.

I have everything else, but still need that.

Bench and buckets with buddy seat got forward position and longer handle.

Buckets with console or buckets without either console or buddy seat got rear position and short handle same as E body handle.

This is the bench seat mount- the one I'm looking for-

 

[71airgrabberRR]

Here is a link for the AMD shifter tunnel. The parts for the shifter linkage you will need to properly install the pistol grip shifter will be the same ones used in a 1971-74 Cuda or Challenger. YY1 is correct. The parts you have are used on the front shifter pad. This was done when you had a car with a bench / buddy front seat. The one I posted are for use with buckets. With or without a console. This places the shifter farther back between the seats. Therefor you use the rear shifter mounting location on the transmission. This will cause you to need longer shifting rods. The rods you need are from the Challenger / Cuda E body. The ones used in the 1970 model year E body had a reverse lockout linkage that was incorporated into the reverse rod.

Basically order or find everything for an E body car including the Z bar and frame rail bracket and you will be set. I've converted many of these cars over to a manual transmission. It isn't that hard. All of the parts including the shifter and pistol grip handle are available brand new now.

We live in great "Mopar" times now.

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http://www.autometaldirect.com/amd-70-74-e-body-71-74-b-body-four-speed-shifter-tunnel-p-2686.html

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Hope this helps..................

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This is the correct shifter mounting plate you need.

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The part number for the AMD shifter tunnel is 415-1570 and it costs $159.99

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The console was an option. It used this floor pan shown here.................. The brackets are also available through AMD to mount a console on this shifter tunnel.

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This is the shifter tunnel used with your shifter setup. You will see it is also shorter.

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Here are the console brackets.

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Part# 490-1570-MS Retail Price: $99.99

Availability: In Stock In Stock

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The hump will literally fall in place on the existing floor pan. They are designed to fit the contours of the sheet metal.

What I would do is install the 4 speed and then bolt on the shifter without the pistol grip handle. Mark the bottom of the floor pan from underneath exactly above where the shifter would normally stick through the floor pan. Then remove the transmission / shifter assembly. Drill out a few holes from the bottom side, preferably in a corner. Then you can use a cut off wheel to connect the dots. Once the small section has bee cut out where the shifter handle would go through the floor pan, lay the new shifter tunnel in place. Tape it in position on the existing floor where the fit is best. Once this has been accomplished you can mark out the inside area to be removed from the floor pan to make room for the shifter rods.

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This is from the Duster, but you get the idea.......................

Remember, measure twice, and only cut out a little metal at a time. You can always go back and remove more but it is harder to put it back...........

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Plus there was a small lip on the inside that was left. Don't try to trim the floor pan to match the exact inside dimensions of the shifter tunnel.

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Once its all welded back in you can reinstall the transmission and shifter. This time add the pistol grip handle and linkages. You may have to trim off a little more of the floor to clear the linkages.

 

[nstyle73]

Thank you for the helpful pictures and once I actually went and looked at the console hump vs. the bench seat hump, it was obvious the difference as well as how to locate the hump for the shifter.

 

[moparmarks]

If the OP, or anyone else has the bench seat mount for the shifter, I'm very interested.

I have everything else, but still need that.

Bench and buckets with buddy seat got forward position and longer handle.

Buckets with console or buckets without either console or buddy seat got rear position and short handle same as E body handle.

This is the bench seat mount- the one I'm looking for-

Jamie Passion has your mount.
http://www.passonperformance.com/component/virtuemart/?page=shop.browse&category_id=27

 

[jimbob101]

Shifter linkage

Thank you for the info!

So here's a pic of what I have for the linkage and mount pad which should be correct, I gotta look at service manual to figure out which way the linkage goes etc...

Will my bench shift gate that I have work for the big rods that I have or do I need a different shift gate? I have a Hurst shift gate for a bench seat car, and I have the shift gate for a '70 bbody, are the shifter "arms" spaced differently for the larger rods? Thank you for the help!

-Jimbo

 

[moparmarks]

The shifters themselves are the same for bench or bucket. Just the rods, mounts and handles are different so you should be good to go.

 

[jimbob101]

Whew! That is what I was hoping to hear! Thank you mopar mark! If anyone has a good pic of how the linkage hooks up correctly for '71 up bbody up console bucket car, that would be great! The FSM are kinda tough to see and read!

-Jimbo

 

[71airgrabberRR]

Check out this link.
http://brewersperformance.com/

This is the best picture I found so far, It's right on his home page. He has a picture showing the complete package needed for a four speed conversion.

Like Moparmark said, Passon Performance is a great supplier too. By the looks of what you posted, the shifter mounting bracket that is bolted to the transmission (in the last picture you posted) looks to be correct. The shifter rods look right to me also, but you need to mount them to be sure. The ones you need will have a very similar reverse rod like the one you pictured. The reverse rod is the one with the bend in it.

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That should say the reverse rod is the one that has the biggest bend in it................ Ooops.............

 

[moparmarks]

Here ya be.

 

[YY1]

At risk of appearing to hijack---

I'm aware that Passon and Brewers have the bench seat mount for $90 and shipping.

I was hoping that someone on this thread would have one they're not going to use for about half of that, since at least two posters seem to have parts from the same setup and at least the OP is not planning on using the other bench specific parts.

If no one has one, then thanks for listening and good luck with your projects.

 

[jimbob101]

'72 plymouth

Awesome, thanks guys for the pictures and help! WIth those photos and website I was able to get those pieces of linkage together!

What a learning experience! It sure is hard to find good pics of those linkage setups! Have to work on getting the right bushings etc since they appear to be 5/16" diameter on the rod ends..

YY1, I'll keep an eye out for another bench seat bracket, will be using the remaining parts on a '71 dodge bench seat car which hopefully will be next!

-JImbo

 

[paladin2511]

Awesome, thanks guys for the pictures and help! WIth those photos and website I was able to get those pieces of linkage together!

What a learning experience! It sure is hard to find good pics of those linkage setups! Have to work on getting the right bushings etc since they appear to be 5/16" diameter on the rod ends..

YY1, I'll keep an eye out for another bench seat bracket, will be using the remaining parts on a '71 dodge bench seat car which hopefully will be next!

-JImbo

 

[dangina]

just finished my tranny not that long ago

 

[nstyle73]

So what is the difference in the shift rods between 71-72 and 73-74? The bench seat 71-74 are all listed with the same rods but Brewer's lists two different sets I am assuming for bucket seats similar to the ones shown above. One for the E-Body(70-72)/B-Body (71-72) and one for the B-Body (73-74). Is this because of the crossmember or something on the body, or because there is a difference in the shifter? The 73-74 have a much different bend than the ones shown above http://http://brewersperformance.com/products.asp?cat=114

 

[71airgrabberRR]

The main difference is how the reverse shifter rod is bent. The ones pictured here are from a 71-72 model year car. The 73-74 cars have a much larger degree bend in them and go back farther away from the cross member.

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I'm pretty sure the 73-74 also have a slightly different cross member. But I think the difference is in the bolt spacing where it connects to the torsion bar cross member.

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The ones I posted a picture of are for a 73-74 car and show the main difference in the reverse rod. I really don't know why they made the change. I think they will interchange, but there may be a difference in the size of the holes in the shifter where the rods connect to it.

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BTW, the 70 "E" body is by itself as far as the shifter rods are concerned. It is because they used an interlock system that incorporated another rod and bell crank assembly that went up to the steering column. This ensured that you had to shift the car into reverse before you could remove the keys from the steering column.

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This is the interlock linkage assembly for a 1970 "E" body.

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I think the main difference is in the how this interlock system attached to the reverse rod.

 

[moparmarks]

The reverse rod that you show for 73-4B is also the same for E-body. I have used them on 71-2 B-body without problems.