1969 chrysler 413

[Mesopic]

Spotted this on ebay, While i am aware this is a truck engine,
having never seen one before i thought this could potential
be of great interest to someone.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/CHRYSLER...ries&hash=item460d65895f&_uhb=1#ht_816wt_1066
Please note this engine is in oz

 

[Cranky]

Looks like the typical industrial/motor home engine to me. The heads and water pump housing are pretty much useless for a car.....

 

[Meep-Meep]

Those things are designed to run at full throttle under load and not burn down. Probably the best gasoline truck engine out there.

 

[RustyRatRod]

Those things are designed to run at full throttle under load and not burn down. Probably the best gasoline truck engine out there.

I hate to do this........but you know, Ford made one probably as good. You ever seen an HD truck 400 Ford motor? It was a Cleveland style, 400 kyoob steel crank HD truck motor. I've only seen two. Almost had the chance to get one. It was in an F350 4X4 with a steel flatbed and an NP435 transmission and a Dana 60 with 4.10s. Somebody got to it before I did. I've never seen anything GM made that would come close to what Chrysler and Ford made as far as HD truck and industrial motors. I mean....I know. Ford. But you cannot ignore they made some haevy duty sheeot.

 

[Meep-Meep]

I got no beefs with the blue oval. I'm not aware of the 400 you speak of, but the 361 and 391 steel crank FE's were pretty good. There were also the HUGE truck motors that were sort of like FE's on performance enhancing drugs. 401, 477 and 534's. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Super_Duty_engine

 

[ossietim]

Is this B or RB block? I have a spare set of MW 286 heads and I could build it as a MW but what could I use from this engine? Crank?rods?pistons?
I realise I'd have to notch it for the heads ,anything I'm missing?

 

[HT413]

It's an RB that has a standard 3.75" stroke 440 crank but has a small 4.18" bore instead of the 440's 4.32". Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks to me like it's a forged crank? I have a 1972 413 in my car that was set up more like a stqndard car motor with 906 heads, 440 wter pump, etc. it's all interchangable but of course at a cost.

Couple of things - i've read is that some have an 8 bolt forged crank similar to hemi's instead of the normal 6 bolt, which might be a pain. Also, seems like a minor detail, but that damper is a bit thicker than standard so the pulleys will align idfferently than a 440 and will pose clearance problems with radiators if installed in a car. Ask me how I know.

http://www.440source.com/dampers.htm

 

[RustyRatRod]

...and I could be wrong about this, but I SWEAR I remember readin it somewhere. That the sho nuff industrial 413 with the funky heads and top end also had a different block and crank when it came to the rear seal flange register area. Maybe I'm dreamin it, but I know I read it somewhere. It mightta been BS but I know I've seen it.

 

[trimmer]

I have one of these engines sitting in my garage, when I get the time I am going to tear it down and compare all the stuff i have heard about this thing with one of my 440's.

 

[Meep-Meep]

Looking at the pics in that link those pistons have a pretty big dish in them, and with MW heads having a chamber volume of about 86 CC's, that doesn't add up to a lot of compression.

I have no idea if the block and crank are different but worth investigating if you plan to use it. I thought they were pretty much the same as other big blocks - at least the block anyway. Take some measurements in that area and compare to a 440 or any newer B or RB for that matter. Good luck.

 

[Cornpatch MO]

The truck-motorhome 413 has a forged steel crank -same as the 440(interchangeable) My block has ribs on each side of the block ( outside) If you sonic a 413, it might bore to 426 inches. But not 440. Truck exhaust manifolds may be larger runners and outlet. That 413 block with the ribs and the steel crank would be one strong SOB!.................MO

 

[RustyRatRod]

Strong indeed.....but the only drawback is piston availability. Stock cast pistons for the 413 are going towards 500 bucks, and nothing else is available off the shelf, so that means 1K for a set of custom slugs. Kinda sucks. I say find a 440.