440 Stealth Heads vs Eddy E-Street

[robinsonwr]

I am no mediator and yes this forum is to share experiences. The advise is great but we all need to learn from our mistakes individually. Some of us are not as fortunate as others and builds cannot be as elaborate. Yes, buying American made products is in direct support to our economy. Some builders must use the best parts on their budget. The thing is both has2bmopar and bigmanjbmopar have made valid points and we must agree to disagree at this point, thanks.

 

[has2bmopar]

I should clarify that I'm certain that all Asian companys do not do business like the 2 points that I referenced, but sadly China seems to have a large volume and a history of bad business practices within the mix.

I have 1 Mopar 4.15" crank and the other 3 that I bought are Eagle as there is a very large gap in these prices compared to a domestic. Callies, Eagle, Scat and K1 are all proven companies with a good reputation and I do know their origin, but in turn they should be checked closely by a good machinist for sizing, taper etc, before using them. I think I may bite the bullet for a 4.5" Crower crank in the future for another Hemi project, but only as I want to push the 850-900 hp area, and it is more of a peace of mind issue over neccessity.

Many of the other components are more competitive and I will go out of my way to buy from a North American company if it is at all feasable.

Muscle Motors has been very impressed with Icon pistons and it is a U.S. company, and has very good prices.

 

[has2bmopar]

we all need to learn from our mistakes individually.

Any time that you can learn from someone else's mistake in any aspect of life, is trouble, time, grief and likely cost avoided.

 

[bigmanjbmopar]

Your ignorance is no surprize, as I recall one of your other posts telling someone that "440 Source stroker kits are all Eagle stuff and Diamond pistons anyway".

Maybe you should try researching something and getting the facts before you spew things out that you must obviously pull out of your a$$.

Fiction will never be your friend, just like your motto's true expence would be your own ER bills. If you want respect give me something to work with, and if you like giving advice, just research it first and give sound information. If you've had good luck with 440 Source, great, share it, but don't think just because you live on this site, that you can dictate it with BS, as fact will always trump fiction.

I think your missing the point of these forums. I would assume most of us are here to share advice, experience and appreciation of each other's vehicles. You have a pretty decent '69 Road Runner, with a lot of potential, that's a good start. I have 18 B-bodies from '67-'72 at this time and I bought my first '70 Road Runner when I was 14.

My next ground up project is this '70 GTX with a 572 Hemi (sonic checked Mopar block) with Indy Legend RA heads, TTI headers with 4" collectors, a Mopar marine 2-4bbl intake and an air cleaner that I made out of 4 different air cleaners to work with the factory air grabber.

I know you are not talking to me? with your comments you just made. I don't know what post you are referring to but on any of my post in regards to stealth heads and stroker kits I describe what I have not were I got it or who I got it from. So ignorance yes, you are very and since you are new here I will let it slide this time but the next time you call some one out you might seriously think about never coming back here. With your whole 6 posts here it's obvious you are not much of a contributor so seriously leave and don't look back you would be doing us all a favor.

 

[Sweet5ltr]

Hey let's keep it on topic. If y'all want to argue, do it over PMs but if you are also a new member; use common courtesy and common sense before making accusations about long-time board contributors.

I buy American products for my car and chose to spend $1,500 on a quality Edelbrock castings (ARP bolts/head gaskets/shipped) that "I" installed right-out-of-the-box. You get what you pay for in life. When you cut corners to save a little bread' in the short term, it could come back to haunt you in the long run. After having nearly every Chinese made part fail, I have only sought out American companies for products. I dont support China, I support America. This is on a basis of my personal experience. We make better products in America (or once did) but we are now to pathetic and lazy to see our downfall is by relying on someone else for all our goods and services. I say, buy the E-brocks regardless for the simplistic reason of being made by your fellow man; not by sweat shop labor a few thousand miles away.

 

[bigmanjbmopar]

Hey let's keep it on topic. If y'all want to argue, do it over PMs but if you are also a new member; use common courtesy and common sense before making accusations about long-time board contributors.

I buy American products for my car and chose to spend $1,500 on a quality Edelbrock casting that "I" installed right-out-of-the-box. You get what you pay for in life. When you cut corners to save a little bread' in the short term, it could come back to haunt you in the long run. After having nearly every Chinese made part fail, I have only sought out American companies for products. I dont support China, I support America. This is on a basis of my personal experience. We make better products in America (or once did) but we are now to pathetic and lazy to see our downfall is by relying on someone else for all our goods and services. I say, buy the E-brocks regardless for the simplistic reason of being made by your fellow man; not by sweat shop labor a few thousand miles away.

Your comments imply that all of us who have purchased the stealth heads do not support our fellow Americans. Honesty that comment is highly offensive to me. Al I am doing is sharing an experience to some one who asked. By saying stealth heads are China junk is just not accurate. Mine work well out of the box chinese cast or no. Don't take it out on us because we have been able to buy a good product for a great price. Less money in this case does not mean cheap. You want to bash some thing or some one bash yourself for not being smart enough to have the extra cash in your pocket.

 

[has2bmopar]

I know you are not talking to me? (,) with your comments you just made. I don't know what post you are referring to, but on any of my posts in regards to Stealth heads and stroker kits I describe what I have, not were I got it, or who I got it from. So ignorance yes, you are (I am)very, and since you are new here I will let it slide this time, but the next time you call some one out you might seriously think about never coming back here. With your whole 6 (62)posts here, it's obvious you are not much of a contributor, so seriously leave, and don't look back you would be doing us all (me)a favor.

Here is your post from earlier this same month... Titled "Stroker"
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They are fine. I didn't get mine from them but got just about everything else including stealth heads. My 493 is a torque monster and quick. I think you will be fine if you buy from them.

It's all eagle brand stuff and diamond pistons anyway H beam rods. All good stuff 440source sells it less than everyone else.

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This isn't "calling someoneone out", This is fact and it is accurate, and it doesn't matter how long you have been here, it matters if the information that you provide is factual, and not made up lies to feed your own insecurities.

There are some very intellegent people on this site, and I'm certain they can tell the difference. I have lived and breathed cars since I was a kid and have likely owned over 150 Mopars, varied from parts cars to show cars. I have made my living for over 20 years, as a mechanic and autobody and paint since I was 16. Do you know the best contributing factor, besides actually having experience? I'm honest, and I give accurate information, and if I don't know, I will research it, not just make something up.

I'm not here to crucify you, you're doing that all by yourself. I stated before that fiction was not your friend.

Just say "Oops" and let it go already.

This was one of my recent ground up projects... I think reality holds more credibility, as to who can contribute more, rather than just who has been here longer.

If someone here wants to put together a knowledge of any aspect of Mopar test between us, that would be outstanding. It could be given at a specific time, with a limited time of responce, and no after the fact editing.

 

[rolling_Thunder]

Have fun with those Indy heads... I've had issues with them on their crate engine.... The head themselves were decent - however I would NEVER use their rocker arms... I had three of them fail on me... one of which came very close to depressing the spring via the retainer... and allowing the keepers to come off... BAD NEWS. They were stand up about it and sent replacements (great customer service) but the fact this happened with multiple arms has put me off of their rockers... Heads are great though - I've used the Legend and the 440 series heads with great results...

 

[bigmanjbmopar]

As stated in another one of your post attacks I will take this off line per the rules of this forum. In no way do I wish to offend any other member of this board or the owners. But to simply put it, you are a putz.

You can take my comments out of context or in context or up your rear end for all I care. Stop high jacking threads with your attacks, It's clear to me what you are doing and clear to the admins. Funny how it only takes a few comments to weed out the moparts people.

Here is your post from earlier this same month... Titled "Stroker"
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This isn't "calling someoneone out", This is fact and it is accurate, and it doesn't matter how long you have been here, it matters if the information that you provide is factual, and not made up lies to feed your own insecurities.

There are some very intellegent people on this site, and I'm certain they can tell the difference. I have lived and breathed cars since I was a kid and have likely owned over 150 Mopars, varied from parts cars to show cars. I have made my living for over 20 years, as a mechanic and autobody and paint since I was 16. Do you know the best contributing factor, besides actually having experience? I'm honest, and I give accurate information, and if I don't know, I will research it, not just make something up.

I'm not here to crucify you, you're doing that all by yourself. I stated before that fiction was not your friend.

Just say "Oops" and let it go already.

This was one of my recent ground up projects... I think reality holds more credibility, as to who can contribute more, rather than just who has been here longer.

If someone here wants to put together a knowledge of any aspect of Mopar test between us, that would be outstanding. It could be given at a specific time, with a limited time of responce, and no after the fact editing.

 

[has2bmopar]

As stated in another one of your post attacks I will take this off line per the rules of this forum. (Where would this mystical statement be?) In no way do I wish to offend any other member of this board (except Sweet5ltr) or the owners. (New paying member, since the chaos I believe..brown-noser???) But to simply put it, you are a putz.

You can take my comments out of context or in context or up your rear end for all I care. Stop high jacking threads with your attacks, It's clear to me what you are doing and clear to the admins. Funny how it only takes a few comments to weed out the moparts people.

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All of your quotes that I have posted to this point have been complete.

You have 0 (zero) posts in this thread that do not contain antagonistic remarks or threats, and it has been you that pulled/hi-jacked this thread off topic by doing so. My only off topic posts were in defense of your own moronic "attack" posts.

I have had nothing to do with anything on Moparts, ever.

The following is your so very innocent input.................


Post #9
Really? Hmm never had to replace anything on mine and they run fine, sure you just didn't piss them off like sending your food back to the cook? lol
　
Post #19
(After this is when I pointed out that you made an ignorant false statement in post #3 of the "Stroker" thread, and yes, you did claim that 440 Source stroker kits were all Eagle stuff and Diamond pistons.)
　
Post #24
I know you are not talking to me? with your comments you just made. I don't know what post you are referring to but on any of my post in regards to stealth heads and stroker kits I describe what I have not were I got it or who I got it from. (B.S. as this is exactly what you did in post #3 in the "Stroker" thread... and it wasn't even my point.) So ignorance yes, you are very and since you are new here I will let it slide this time but the next time you call some one out you might seriously think about never coming back here. With your whole 6 posts here it's obvious you are not much of a contributor so seriously leave and don't look back you would be doing us all a favor. (It was over 60 posts Einstien)
　
Post #26 Reply to Sweet5ltr
Your comments imply that all of us who have purchased the stealth heads do not support our fellow Americans. Honesty that comment is highly offensive to me. Al I am doing is sharing an experience to some one who asked. By saying stealth heads are China junk is just not accurate. Mine work well out of the box chinese cast or no. Don't take it out on us because we have been able to buy a good product for a great price. Less money in this case does not mean cheap. You want to bash some thing or some one bash yourself for not being smart enough to have the extra cash in your pocket. (This guy was also ridiculed for having bad experiences with Chinese parts. I was not aware that there was a dictatorship in effect in our country.)

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Post #27 (Thread Tiltled "Stroker")
Are you really that dumb? (Trust me, nothing was misunderstood... You made a false statement and now you are making every goof ball manipulation possible trying to deny it.) what part of that eagle parts statement says I got it from 440source? I said clearly as you highlighted it's all eagle brand stuff and diamond pistons period that little dot (A smiley by any stretch is not punctuation slick) is the end of a sentence that's what I have in my motor you dunce.
Then I say all good stuff as to mean I am happy with what I have and 440source sells their stuff usualy less than everyone else.

If you read it like a normal human that you would understand, but you are now choosing a fight which I am happy to bring the pain...let's rock punk!
If intelligence were a requirement then I 'm afraid you have failed miserably. You want to call out people then call out yourself right off this site. Leave or the fight will come to you. (This whole rant and threat fest is so absurd and indefensable, I swear this was from a 10 year old throwing a tantrum, because he got caught in a string of lies. Go to the "Stroker" thread and read the first 3 posts.... Sell your car and get counciling.)

Don't forget your pathetic "Drive to your house and punch you in the face" motto on all of your posts.
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I have let this go a couple times. Everything I have stated is accurate and I will defend myself against 10 year old mentality antics. You need to get over being picked on in school and drop this already. Several contradictions within your own posts prove that you are not honest, just learn from it and start over for God's sake.

I sincerely apologize to all others here. I believe the person that started this thread has made his choice for the Edelbrock heads some time ago. I believe this was the best choice as I have owned 2 pair of the 440 Source heads and have had unfortunate issues with them.

 

[Moparmatt72]

I like my stealth heads, yes I upgraded the locks and keepers as they suggest when running a cam higher than .500 inch lift. I did have them check by my machineist, very well known here, guides were a little warpped but the seats were great, gthey set the spring pressure to 330, I ported them and put some 1.7 roller rockers on. I did have to open the push rod holes a bit but nothing major. Weather its a 440source, indy or edelbrock its still a good idea to have a machine shop check them out, everything is mass produced and something might slip. Some more than others but that's my .02

 

[Sweet5ltr]

Your comments imply that all of us who have purchased the stealth heads do not support our fellow Americans. Honesty that comment is highly offensive to me. Al I am doing is sharing an experience to some one who asked. By saying stealth heads are China junk is just not accurate. Mine work well out of the box chinese cast or no. Don't take it out on us because we have been able to buy a good product for a great price. Less money in this case does not mean cheap. You want to bash some thing or some one bash yourself for not being smart enough to have the extra cash in your pocket.

Bigmanjbmopar,
You took what I was saying out of context. I was stating, I HAVE HAD BAD PERSONAL EXPERIENCE'S WITH CHINESE MADE EQUIPMENT! That is why I only support American companies, with American workers, the operate under American standards, that get American wages. You are sounding like a child, who is throwing a fit over the internet and taking everything negatively against you when really the exact opposite is occurring. I even stated "(we once did)" referring to the fact that 'some' American products are not of high standards. Quality control is up to the management officials of that specific company.

Just to make a sane argument, for the sake of doing so; their are COUNTLESS number of pages concerning the poor quality of stealth cylinder heads and COUNTLESS numbers of horror stories if minimal research is done. Their are also MANY flow charts that dictate the stealth cylinder heads flow 20-30cfm less at .600 lift that the Edelbrock RPM casting (which has the same flow chart as the E-street at the moment). So, are you really saving 'that' much money, when you replace valve train components, getting the heads checked out, and doing a mild port cleanup. $1045 for (Chinese) Stealths-$1400 for (American) RPMs (both shipped). I like the quality and craftsmanship of Edelbrock products, out of the box. THIS IS ALL MY PERSONAL OPINION. NONE OF IT WAS EVER INTENDED AS AN ATTACK ON ANYONE. These are basic facts that are found with minimal research as stated before, and I am not saying that ALL stealth's are poor performers as well; some could be great. All in all, Don't turn this into a moparts'---> :argue:.

 

[Sweet5ltr]

I sincerely apologize to all others here. I believe the person that started this thread has made his choice for the Edelbrock heads some time ago. I believe this was the best choice as I have owned 2 pair of the 440 Source heads and have had unfortunate issues with them.

I believe he made the right choice. No need for the apology, your information was helpful as all others input on this board. Some of us have different opinions and that's fine, their are just some who take it too far and too personal. We are all here for our love of MOPARS and to help others on their Mopar related journeys; that is what we should be focusing on. Take care.

 

[m79ded]

Thanks everybody for the input you provided, it's very useful and will prevent me from making a costly mistake.Same way I would give my personal experiences so other fellow Mopar folks don't make mistakes you all gave me great advice.

The common theme I get from this is that 440 Source has horrible customer service and do not seem too interested in helping people after the sale, in other words I got your money so beat it and don't bother me.

The 2nd thing that's common is that it seems like a great deal at 1st, but if you have to spend time and money replacing inferior parts so that you do not end up with catastrophic failures like dropping valves, chamber issues, etc...well where is the savings?? if anything and by the time you finish changing everything well you not farther ahead at all.

3rd thing is I have not heard much negative about the workmanship on the Eddy's, Yes they are more $$$ but the peace of mind is worth it.
Eddy is in process of developing a new head for the street which will be out shortly so I am patient and will see the offerings.

Just very recently after I originally started this posting,I have seen a 440 source head motor on the dyno and yes it wasn't warmed over too much but the results were not good at all. It was actually better with lightly ported 452's and the flow bench confirmed it.In this case the numbers published by 440 source was total BS!!!
I am not sure if it was the castings, maybe a fluke but I am not willing to experiment with my hard earned money.Seems to me that Deception and lying (Maybe not intentional is very bad) you can screw people sometimes but eventually it will come back and bite you in the ***.

About the only real positive so far is that 440 source heads can be disguised much better, but I feel it's not worth rolling the dice if you will end up with junk or O.K stuff. Do buy things twice gets expensive and the old saying of pay me now or pay me later is very true.

And the most important reason I feel comfortable with the Eddy's so far is I like keeping things in my own back yard and supporting our country. I like the idea of better helping out our families by keeping things here. I support USA as much as I can.

Thanks and I will wait to see how those new Eddy's look and if anyone has used them or heard about them let all of us know.

 

[has2bmopar]

Bigmanjbmopar,
You took what I was saying out of context. I was stating, I HAVE HAD BAD PERSONAL EXPERIENCE'S WITH CHINESE MADE EQUIPMENT! You are sounding like a child, who is throwing a fit over the internet and taking everything negatively against you when really the exact opposite is occurring.

Just to make a sane argument, for the sake of doing so; their are COUNTLESS number of pages concerning the poor quality of stealth cylinder heads and COUNTLESS numbers of horror stories if minimal research is done. Their are also MANY flow charts that dictate the stealth cylinder heads flow 20-30cfm less at .600 lift that the Edelbrock RPM casting (which has the same flow chart as the E-street at the moment). So, are you really saving 'that' much money, when you replace valve train components, getting the heads checked out, and doing a mild port cleanup. $1045 for (Chinese) Stealths-$1400 for (American) RPMs (both shipped). I like the quality and craftsmanship of Edelbrock products, out of the box. THIS IS ALL MY PERSONAL OPINION. NONE OF IT WAS EVER INTENDED AS AN ATTACK ON ANYONE.

This is a carbon copy to my research, but sadly it was after the fact that I had aready bought 2 pair. To those of you that have them, the worst part for me were the original soft retainers.

 

[has2bmopar]

Thanks everybody for the input you provided, it's very useful and will prevent me from making a costly mistake.Same way I would give my personal experiences so other fellow Mopar folks don't make mistakes you all gave me great advice.

The common theme I get from this is that 440 Source has horrible customer service and do not seem too interested in helping people after the sale, in other words I got your money so beat it and don't bother me.

The 2nd thing that's common is that it seems like a great deal at 1st, but if you have to spend time and money replacing inferior parts so that you do not end up with catastrophic failures like dropping valves, chamber issues, etc...well where is the savings?? if anything and by the time you finish changing everything well you not farther ahead at all.

3rd thing is I have not heard much negative about the workmanship on the Eddy's, Yes they are more $$$ but the peace of mind is worth it.
Eddy is in process of developing a new head for the street which will be out shortly so I am patient and will see the offerings.

Just very recently after I originally started this posting,I have seen a 440 source head motor on the dyno and yes it wasn't warmed over too much but the results were not good at all. It was actually better with lightly ported 452's and the flow bench confirmed it.In this case the numbers published by 440 source was total BS!!!
I am not sure if it was the castings, maybe a fluke but I am not willing to experiment with my hard earned money.Seems to me that Deception and lying (Maybe not intentional is very bad) you can screw people sometimes but eventually it will come back and bite you in the ***.

About the only real positive so far is that 440 source heads can be disguised much better, but I feel it's not worth rolling the dice if you will end up with junk or O.K stuff. Do buy things twice gets expensive and the old saying of pay me now or pay me later is very true.

And the most important reason I feel comfortable with the Eddy's so far is I like keeping things in my own back yard and supporting our country. I like the idea of better helping out our families by keeping things here. I support USA as much as I can.

Thanks and I will wait to see how those new Eddy's look and if anyone has used them or heard about them let all of us know.

You have been doing your homework... You are the hero of your own thread.

My opinion is if you are spending the money for aluminum heads, you should show them off, and they won't be flaking after time and looking like hell. One glance around the headers is a dead givaway on the stealth heads anyway, so you are busted even without any magnet around.

 

[arizona satellite]

well I have had no issues with my 440 source heads and have had decent cust serv. I did replace the locks as per my machinist for the amount of lift I have 305H comp with .525 lift. I had him check everything over and other than hand lapping the valves and giving them a good bath(lots of shavings inside the water ports) they were good to go. the springs checked out just as 440source said they would. Perhaps I just got lucky, they are late 2011 castings. I purchased them rather then the eddy heads mostly due to cost and flow numbers advertised, also I don't care for the "chunk of billet" look to the eddys.I and building a street sleeper and like the "look" of the stealth head. I too did my fair share of research and decided on the 440 source product. besides if you look hard enough you will find complaints will any and all products, there are some folks on here who will not touch Indy heads. Bad cust service leads to bad review's. As long as you are happy with your decision that is ALL that matters. Go and have FUN with your MoPar

 

[nosser]

After reading all these threads it seems the smart thing to do is to never bolt on any product directly out of the box with out having it checked out first. Esp cylinder heads and crate engines it seems. Like anything there will be both good and bad products from every company so rather be the one that suffers from a bad product im gonna have my heads checked before I install it on my engine.

 

[ykf7b0]

Is there anyone else struggling with which to go with? Lower priced straight plug or American engineered angle plugs?

 

[Sweet5ltr]

Is there anyone else struggling with which to go with? Lower priced straight plug or American engineered angle plugs?

American made by skilled American labor vs. Chinese forged by Chinese child labor.

Easy decision!