Brand X power

[RustyRatRod]

You should look closer. That aint a pair of 305Es. That's ONE 702 kyoob V12. It's one solid block, one common crank and cam and four heads. They came mostly in fire trucks and cab overs. I WANT one. LOL In stone stock trim with two one barrels they were over 600 LBFT of torque RIGHT off idle. The Thunder V12 site has performance parts available, if you can imagine. But I agree completely. Our tastes are very similar. I cannot stand a SBC in everything. I see one in a rod, I make it a point to turn my nose up and walk by hoping the owner sees it. lol I mean really, how many brain cells does it take to do that? Two and a half?

http://thunderv12.com/

 

[b-star69]

in 96 or 97 a guy at the mopar nats a 440-6pack 833a 4-speed cobra that was cool.

 

[Photon440]

Well.....I will backtrack a little. Lessie........motors cool to swap. Early Hemi, Buick Nailhead, Flathead V8 Ford, Early Olds V8, Straight 8 Buick and maybe some of the early Chrysler Spitfire Poly motors. That's gettin close to about it. But even most of them aint cool to swap in a Mopar.

Oh and I don't care if it is a General Motors product. THIS in most anything would be totally shagnastaciousbadassary.

Is that BONDO on the collectors? Looks like it was made for show, not go. But those 702 cubic inch monsters would make a great truck rod engine.

 

[Moparsmitty]

Sometimes I feel like a grumpy old man. I don't like different power plants in Mopars, just like I don't like Chevy motors in Ford street rods. I don't like those stupid big wheels either. Crabby old man? Possibly!

About 20 years ago I had a 29 model A roadster project that I got on the cheap because the guy wanted out of it. Came with a Chevy 350 and 350 turbo so I used all the stuff he gave me to finish it. Always wanted to put Ford power in it, a 351C or better yet a Boss 302 but I never got around to spending the time or money to make it right. Would have been a much cooler rod with Ford power in it. Ended up selling it and putting the money into the shop I have now.

 

[super-bee_ski]

Brand X power in a vintage MOPAR=Excellent way to de-value your Muscle Car

 

[RustyRatRod]

I would have much rather had the 351C. MUCH better engine than the Boss 302. Only reason they didn't outshine the Boss was because they never came with any appreciable compression. They certainly came with VERY capable cylinder heads. I think had Ford ever offered the Cleveland in a 10:1 or above, it would have overshadowed nearly all the rest of their engines.

About 20 years ago I had a 29 model A roadster project that I got on the cheap because the guy wanted out of it. Came with a Chevy 350 and 350 turbo so I used all the stuff he gave me to finish it. Always wanted to put Ford power in it, a 351C or better yet a Boss 302 but I never got around to spending the time or money to make it right. Would have been a much cooler rod with Ford power in it. Ended up selling it and putting the money into the shop I have now.

 

[Moparsmitty]

I would have much rather had the 351C. MUCH better engine than the Boss 302. Only reason they didn't outshine the Boss was because they never came with any appreciable compression. They certainly came with VERY capable cylinder heads. I think had Ford ever offered the Cleveland in a 10:1 or above, it would have overshadowed nearly all the rest of their engines.

I agree Rusty, the 351C was probably the best Ford small block engine in mass production. I just always thought that Boss was a great name for an engine, even if it is a Ford.

 

[RustyRatRod]

Yeah. There was this old dude we used to go by and see when we were all in school. He was a retired Ford engineer and had also retired from Georgia Power. He had probably 20 old Fords in his yard. 69 428 Mustang was really cool. But my personal favorite was a 73 Mach1 Mustang, 351 HO, functional RAM AIR hood, 4 speed, 9 inch with 4.10 gears. It also had some kinda special where it had an Accel distributor and chrome Accel coil right from the factory. All he had done was put headers on it. Other than that, it was bone stock. He drove it right regular too. You could tell it was low compression, because it revved really slow, but man, I tell you what. Once the RPM got up (which was most of the time with 4.10s), that thing would really fly. I miss that old guy.

 

[Budnicks]

The pics posted by the OP are just an eyesore. I'd say from the early 60's through the 70's don't do the swap. And that goes for putting a SBC in a 68 Firebird or a BBC in an Olds.

Rusty, I swear we went to the same school when it comes to what engine you can swap into what car! When I see a SBF in a Ford hot rod, and the owner is there, I thank them for not using a SBC in their 32 Ford. Likewise if I see a Yak or a nail head in an old Ford I also thank them for thinking outside the SBC box.

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Almost anything but an A-typical SBC in every damn Hot Rod, since the beginning of time, show some originality, for Pete's sake... the OHV Caddy, Buicks, Pontiacs & Olds even the early Chrysler Hemi's were very common place before the 1955 265ci SB-Chevy came out... hell I'm not even a Chevy Hatter like some here obviously are... I just believe the makes/engines should match, in most cases, not all...

 

[tallhair]

I'm just shocked the engine compartments didn't also receive the shivvy underhood treatment

 

[wannadrag]

I'm just shocked the engine compartments didn't also receive the shivvy underhood treatment

I agree the mopars are unique with the underhood body color,not all chevrolets came chassis black under hood.Some mid 60s were body color.

The comment that chevy guys paint mopars under the hood black really gets under my skin.Some of you hardcores should scroll FABO only.I think more of those cars a black underhood then not.

As for anything from the 50s on back as far as i'm concerned any engine is fair game.After all that why its called Hotrodding,RIGHT?You use what you have.

 

[WP29440SE]

I agree the mopars are unique with the underhood body color,not all chevrolets came chassis black under hood.Some mid 60s were body color.

The comment that chevy guys paint mopars under the hood black really gets under my skin.Some of you hardcores should scroll FABO only.I think more of those cars a black underhood then not.

that's exactly where those pics came from. I was shocked the bays weren't painted black, I must say that was a first. most of the time they are. I personally think a mopar engine bay spray bombed walmart gloss black (if the car isn't black) is just sickening. one of the most unique details of a Mopar product is the body color bay. im not a purist , but that is a peave of mine. 95% of the people assume the bays are black opposed to choosing to paint them black (if they don't know better). its also the cheap and easy way out to cover up paint chips and rust. 99% of the time they look like ***. IMHO

I read a lot about people opinions on not painting black behind the grill , but that's another can of worms LOL

 

[GrabberOrange69]

As a rule, I don't like brand engine swaps. The 2 that you can "get away with" is the early Hemi's and the SBC. But I don't like it. I don't like cross-dressers either, so at least I'm consistent.

 

[Meep-Meep]

You should look closer. That aint a pair of 305Es. That's ONE 702 kyoob V12. It's one solid block, one common crank and cam and four heads. They came mostly in fire trucks and cab overs. I WANT one. LOL In stone stock trim with two one barrels they were over 600 LBFT of torque RIGHT off idle. The Thunder V12 site has performance parts available, if you can imagine. But I agree completely. Our tastes are very similar. I cannot stand a SBC in everything. I see one in a rod, I make it a point to turn my nose up and walk by hoping the owner sees it. lol I mean really, how many brain cells does it take to do that? Two and a half?

http://thunderv12.com/

Holy crap! I missed that completely. They sure look like 305 e's and probably where some of the parts came from being a GM and all. I'm with you - I want one!!!

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Actually, the Cleveland has taken a back seat to the Windsor. The C heads are obviously better but the oiling system of the Cleveland isn't nearly as good as the Windsor, so if you want the best of both worlds (put in a MoPar - had to say that - hehehe) or build a Clevor. Cleveland heads on a Windsor block (poor man Boss 302).

 

[68sportsatelliteragtop]

Here you go Rusty. BTW, you shouldn't be lusting after GM crap.

 

[tallhair]

I agree the mopars are unique with the underhood body color,not all chevrolets came chassis black under hood.Some mid 60s were body color.

The comment that chevy guys paint mopars under the hood black really gets under my skin.Some of you hardcores should scroll FABO only.I think more of those cars a black underhood then not.

As for anything from the 50s on back as far as i'm concerned any engine is fair game.After all that why its called Hotrodding,RIGHT?You use what you have.

I don't see why folks who are into other brands get so prickly here when someone pokes a little fun at Chevy, Fords, etc. Haven't you ever heard of good nature'd ribbing among fans of the different makes? I'm certain over at For 69 Camaro's Only they poke fun at Mopars and Fords once in a while too. I don't go there and don't give a damn. If I were at a "Hotrodding" / or muti-make forum, which this is not, and folks were slamming Dodge or Plymouth I might even play along in the spirit intended and get some digs in myself at their brand.

I wouldn't characterize myself as hardcore, purist, or really anything else exclusively. I appreciate all Muscle cars, especially Fords, I like station wagons, cop cars and other unique stuff too, restomods, touring cars, rat rods, hot rods, 50's customs, etc. I don't care what someone else does to their cars I just appreciate original looking bodies, paint, and interiors on classic muscle cars of all makes more than mix and match. I plan on engine, suspension, brake, and chassis mods myself.

There are a lot of not exclusively Mopar people who have painted Mopar engine compartments black ... never said all. I'm still not a fan since "it just doesn't look right" IMO, but they can do what they want. I will however reserve my option of calling a "shivvy engine compartment treatment" audible in the future.

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I would have much rather had the 351C. MUCH better engine than the Boss 302. Only reason they didn't outshine the Boss was because they never came with any appreciable compression. They certainly came with VERY capable cylinder heads. I think had Ford ever offered the Cleveland in a 10:1 or above, it would have overshadowed nearly all the rest of their engines.

I remember, barely, an article years ago from PHR, CC, or HR where they tested a lot of factory engine/head combos in out of the box/not modified condition. The 351 Cleveland was the best flowing head per cubic inch ... IIR the 383 HP / 906 combo came in 2nd or very close. I can't recall the test parameters or classification so don't recall if there were Big and Small block categories or just head to head irrespective of size. And I don't recall where the Hemi was in the mix .. might have been Hemi and all others LOL. Anyone recall that from about 82-83?

Now that I think about it, it may have been over 400 C.I. and under