Updated 1/22* 2nd WRONG pressure plate from Summit

[biomedtechguy]

1st time I mistakenly ordered a 10.5" pp from Summit. I was rushed, my mistake.
2nd time Summit called McLeod and ordered what they recommended, 11" pp. The bolt holes don't line up.
Engine is 71 440 heavy rods billet steel flywheel 130 tooth. Trans is a Passon Performance a855 5-speed, but it is the same as the 18 spline Hemi 4 speed a833.
I desperately need the correct part# for a McLeod or Centerforce diaphragm style pp that actually fits. I am replacing a McLeod 3 finger unit that broke and has been discontinued. I don't have that part # readily available. Single disc, full faced friction material.
I will probably call Brewer's on Monday since I bought my billet steel flywheel from them, they have the record of that part # and should be able to get me the correct pp.
Thanks.

 

[69a100]

It sounds like McLeon is the one that's screwing things up as they didn't get you the right part. I know jack about clutches, if I knew more of what you needed, there's a Summit here in Reno. sorry I can't be of better help. Good Luck

 

[cryplydog]

Call Wayne Brewer, I am using a mcloud 10.95 clutch assy that fits a 130 tooth flywheel that is the GM type press plate. Pedel feels way better and with less pressure plus you can remove the return spring.

 

[lewtot184]

if the McLeod 3 finger broke an eye bolt it can be repaired.

 

[biomedtechguy]

Call Wayne Brewer, I am using a mcloud 10.95 clutch assy that fits a 130 tooth flywheel that is the GM type press plate. Pedel feels way better and with less pressure plus you can remove the return spring.

I am going to call Brewer's since I got my flywheel from them, that part number and description can be the "foundation" or known variable to solve this formula. Maybe 10.95 is correct, I thought it was a fraction. When I get my answer I'll post it here.The car had a 3 finger pp in it when I installed the McLeod, but the only spring is the one that hooks to the clutch fork from the block, it never had the over center spring.
Thanks for the replies.
BTW,

if the McLeod 3 finger an broke eye bolt it can be repaired.

If they repair/replace it under warranty I can keep it as a spare.

 

[moper]

As said - look at the 10.95. The 11" is the 70-older IIRC. sometime in 71 and up they go 10.95.

 

[WileE]

Yep, the only one I call is Brewer's.

 

[ckessel]

Does your flywheel have the bolt pattern for a 10 1/2" PP or an 11" PP? Might be your issue. They do offer a unit thats 10.95 that fits the 10 1/2" pattern.

 

[biomedtechguy]

I think this is one that will fit. If confirmed, this looks like a good choice-high clamping force.

 

[kiwigtx]

Just out of morbid curiosity here @biomedtechguy .....how soon before you go broke with all the shipping charges that must be piling up, or are Summit covering you for them?

 

[biomedtechguy]

Just out of morbid curiosity here @biomedtechguy .....how soon before you go broke with all the shipping charges that must be piling up, or are Summit covering you for them?

If shipping charges on 2 pressure plates, one shipped overnight for Saturday delivery, was going to hurt my account I probably shouldn't have a muscle car, make that 2, or maybe being self employed wasn't working out as well as I thought it was
The 1st pp (naturally that one was overnight) was my mistake. I told them what I wanted.
The one I just got was the one they said would fit AFTER they "spoke with McLeod" during my call, so they are going to have to compensate for that. Shipping back to them via USPS is on them in both cases...
I just want my car back on the road, and out of my (still-so far) best friend's garage.

 

[biomedtechguy]

UPDATE!
I should know by now! Call the MANUFACTURER FIRST! I had called everyone BUT McLeod, and it was their pressure plate that broke. 2 years old, but only appx 1500 miles, one 12 trip1/4 mile track day.
They offered to rebuild the pp at no charge, but I want to switch from the rather brutal on my left knee 3 finger unit to a diaphragm style pp. So they are going to build a 2900 lb. clamping pressure diaphragm pp for me for $200 plus shipping that works with the existing 2 year old McLeod clutch disc AND rebuild my broken 3 finger unit at no charge. I may keep it as a spare or sell it.
I'm ok with that. I didn't want to just reinstall the rebuilt 3 finger for fear of another failure. I WILL ask them what failed and what is different, if anything, in the rebuilt one that may relieve me of fear of another failure on the rebuilt one.
Apparently the 130 tooth flywheel and scalloped pressure plate with the associated clutch disc is an odd? combo, mainly having to do with the scalloped pressure plate and clearance for the bolts?
I dunno, but I would have had to replace the disc and flywheel if not for McLeod if I wanted to go with a diaphragm style pp, and a Centerforce kit was going to be $500 from Brewer's

 

[mopar 3 B]

Does your flywheel have the bolt pattern for a 10 1/2" PP or an 11" PP? Might be your issue. They do offer a unit thats 10.95 that fits the 10 1/2" pattern.

The 11" PP will not fit a 130 tooth flywheel of any year I have ever tried. If you have the 10.95 on a 10.5 PP patterned flywheel it will attach with a bolt that almost looks like a header bolt. To my knowledge there is nothing special about the 130 tooth 10.5 flywheel when using the 10.95 PP.

 

[biomedtechguy]

The 11" PP will not fit a 130 tooth flywheel of any year I have ever tried. If you have the 10.95 on a 10.5 PP patterned flywheel it will attach with a bolt that almost looks like a header bolt. To my knowledge there is nothing special about the 130 tooth 10.5 flywheel when using the 10.95 PP.

You are correct sir, especially in your description of what the pp to flywheel bolts look like. I think the "scallop" design allows the pp bolts to fit that flywheel properly.
Anywho, looks like the next weekend I put aside won't be wasted like the previous 2 attempts that were immediately foiled by the wrong part.

 

[Daves69]

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[biomedtechguy]

My motor is a 71 steel crank "heavy rod" 440 as indicated by the date code cast into the block and the eccentric on the harmonic balancer. I assume the original 70 6bbl that came in my V-Code 70 Roadrunner was scattered on a race track at some point. My replacement billet steel 130 tooth flywheel from Brewer's was to replace the same size/tooth count factory unit that I had turned 2 years ago but still showed some signs of heat cracks. I changed to the Brewer's flywheel when I installed the a855 5-speed from Passon

 

[NJRR]

My motor is a 71 steel crank "heavy rod" 440 as indicated by the date code cast into the block and the eccentric on the harmonic balancer. I assume the original 70 6bbl that came in my V-Code 70 Roadrunner was scattered on a race track at some point. My replacement billet steel 130 tooth flywheel from Brewer's was to replace the same size/tooth count factory unit that I had turned 2 years ago but still showed some signs of heat cracks. I changed to the Brewer's flywheel when I installed the a855 5-speed from Passon

Just wondering if you reached out to Jamie Passon and if he had any suggestions.

 

[biomedtechguy]

Just wondering if you reached out to Jamie Passon and if he had any suggestions.

Jamie was the first one I called. 3 finger Borg and Beck replacement, no problem in the RAM Brand, because McLeod doesn't make the one that broke anymore, but apparently McLeod can rebuild it. I would have had to buy the RAM too, so better this way.
I already got notification that my 2,950 pound clamping force diaphragm style pp shipping label has been created from McLeod, so progress is happening. I'll post up results and "how it feels and works" observations once I get it installed and my car back on the road. If it was March-when car shows and nice weather are abundant-I'd really be jonesing.

 

[biomedtechguy]

UPDATE! I installed the McLeod diaphragm style pp that they sent me directly from their manufacturing line today. 2,950 pounds of clamping force and it fits with the disc that came with the 2 year old 1,500 mile broken 3 finger unit they no longer make like a glove! New pp to flywheel bolts too. VERY precise fit! I should finish up tomorrow and will post additional information as well as the part number for the new one they sent pictured here.
See pic:

 

[Kern Dog]

Score...I thought you only made political posts. Glad to see that you actually have a Mopar!