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Yeah, it's about an inch shorter than the RPM. Looks to be similar to a stock design, too, I guess just from eyeballing it.
Well, I've had enough of this 440 Mystery Motor
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For what you have cam wise, I think the plain performer will work just fine in your car, ive been looking at measurements and that intake and the wieand one seem to be the closest in factory height.
You learn from others, and not to hijack this, but Doug you mentioned about the way to measure across the intake faces to see how much is needed to be cut off of intake manifold. Question to you is, do you pick a point, say on the upper face of the head eg: intake port, measure across to the other head, and then go to bottom of intake port and measure across just like the top measurement? Then you measure the intake in the same fashion?
You learn from others, and not to hijack this, but Doug you mentioned about the way to measure across the intake faces to see how much is needed to be cut off of intake manifold. Question to you is, do you pick a point, say on the upper face of the head eg: intake port, measure across to the other head, and then go to bottom of intake port and measure across just like the top measurement? Then you measure the intake in the same fashion?
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Question to you is, do you pick a point, say on the upper face of the head eg: intake port, measure across to the other head, and then go to bottom of intake port and measure across just like the top measurement? Then you measure the intake in the same fashion?[/QUOTE]
No, you measure on the intake face of each individual head. C/L of the holes in the head vs C/L of where the intake holes land with the intake setting on the engine with no gaskets. That's why I suggested to slide the intake forward/back so when you look through the intake holes you're see the solid face of the head to make a mark. Ideally the distance of the mark you make and the intake head bolt holes C/L should be the thickness of the intake gasket BELOW the holes. Lets say your mark ends up .040" (average left and right head) above the head holes. Your gasket .040". Add the two you get .080" That's how much you need to cut. My machinist taught me this, it works. That's why I have been saying if the intake fits with no gasket, you need to machine the thickness of the gasket. Hope this makes it clear.
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No, you measure on the intake face of each individual head. C/L of the holes in the head vs C/L of where the intake holes land with the intake setting on the engine with no gaskets. That's why I suggested to slide the intake forward/back so when you look through the intake holes you're see the solid face of the head to make a mark. Ideally the distance of the mark you make and the intake head bolt holes C/L should be the thickness of the intake gasket BELOW the holes. Lets say your mark ends up .040" (average left and right head) above the head holes. Your gasket .040". Add the two you get .080" That's how much you need to cut. My machinist taught me this, it works. That's why I have been saying if the intake fits with no gasket, you need to machine the thickness of the gasket. Hope this makes it clear.
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No, you measure on the intake face of each individual head. C/L of the holes in the head vs C/L of where the intake holes land with the intake setting on the engine with no gaskets. That's why I suggested to slide the intake forward/back so when you look through the intake holes you're see the solid face of the head to make a mark. Ideally the distance of the mark you make and the intake head bolt holes C/L should be the thickness of the intake gasket BELOW the holes. Lets say your mark ends up .040" (average left and right head) above the head holes. Your gasket .040". Add the two you get .080" That's how much you need to cut. My machinist taught me this, it works. That's why I have been saying if the intake fits with no gasket, you need to machine the thickness of the gasket. Hope this makes it clear.
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Doug, thank you yes it does. I appreciatethe information, learn something new every day.
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Is this for real?
So: you are not joking with us here on the Forum?
You actually ran a 440 up to 5K RPM with no load on it?
I find this incredible that you would do something like this and then ask questions pertaining to repair/rebuild etc?
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ED, I have a spare 440 I will sell u for 700 bucks, it's running, no issues. Please.....
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Everyone:
I wanted to thank everyone who has ever tried to help me with anything/everything on this site, past and present. It IS very much appreciated.
Having said that, I've been informed that this thread, and me in particular, apparently have offended many including the powers that be here.
I have therefore requested the thread be removed from the site and as soon as I can figure out how, I'll un-register myself as well.
Y'all be safe,
Ed
I wanted to thank everyone who has ever tried to help me with anything/everything on this site, past and present. It IS very much appreciated.
Having said that, I've been informed that this thread, and me in particular, apparently have offended many including the powers that be here.
I have therefore requested the thread be removed from the site and as soon as I can figure out how, I'll un-register myself as well.
Y'all be safe,
Ed
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Sorry to hear that. That is what can happen with to many cooks in the kitchen.
Ed, I've been following this thread. I've added no input as I don't have enough knowledge to assist.
Because of this thread, there has been a ton of knowledge, ideas, and suggestions. I have learned a lot about how things go together and determining what things go with what because of this thread. As much as some people have disagreed with you and this thread, I can honestly say I applaud your continued dedication to understanding how things work and not being afraid to ask questions, even if you don't understand on the first time around.
Good luck with getting the car going, whether you decide to continue to rebuild this motor or start from scratch with another one. I hope that if you figure it out that you inform us.
Because of this thread, there has been a ton of knowledge, ideas, and suggestions. I have learned a lot about how things go together and determining what things go with what because of this thread. As much as some people have disagreed with you and this thread, I can honestly say I applaud your continued dedication to understanding how things work and not being afraid to ask questions, even if you don't understand on the first time around.
Good luck with getting the car going, whether you decide to continue to rebuild this motor or start from scratch with another one. I hope that if you figure it out that you inform us.
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Sorry you feel that way. There's some useful info in this thread. Hope it doesn't get deleted.
We're all bound to offend someone at some point. Shouldn't let it get to you, just learn from it. This is a great site with so many helpful and knowledgeable folks on here. It's a shame to leave the family.
We're all bound to offend someone at some point. Shouldn't let it get to you, just learn from it. This is a great site with so many helpful and knowledgeable folks on here. It's a shame to leave the family.
Ed, I have know you for years and know your dedication to mopars.
You have always been willing to help when and if you can with anyones problem if you have any ideas. Mopars aside your a good guy and I hope you hang around.
This thread has been very good reading and tons of info, I know I have learned a lot.
For some reason some members have decided you have got all the info you need.
I for one didn't ever think this sight was like that. guess I was wrong.
Many of the replies I can relate to as far as info on engine detail and specs many are way over my back yard hoist in a tree brain. But then again Im not the sharpest knife in the drawer , I still fight with a cell phone LOL.
FYI , I was poking around and a thread here on how to cook steak is ok at 200 plus replies but a engine thread at 300 plus is not ????
Just how many ways can ribeye be cooked , I guess over 200.
Keep in touch Ed.
You have always been willing to help when and if you can with anyones problem if you have any ideas. Mopars aside your a good guy and I hope you hang around.
This thread has been very good reading and tons of info, I know I have learned a lot.
For some reason some members have decided you have got all the info you need.
I for one didn't ever think this sight was like that. guess I was wrong.
Many of the replies I can relate to as far as info on engine detail and specs many are way over my back yard hoist in a tree brain. But then again Im not the sharpest knife in the drawer , I still fight with a cell phone LOL.
FYI , I was poking around and a thread here on how to cook steak is ok at 200 plus replies but a engine thread at 300 plus is not ????
Just how many ways can ribeye be cooked , I guess over 200.
Keep in touch Ed.
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I vote to keep the thread and stay a member!
You have to take the good with the bad, and no one knows more about that than you Ed.
Please reconsider.
You have to take the good with the bad, and no one knows more about that than you Ed.
Please reconsider.
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No need to get over dramatic about this. I believe this thread holds the record for sheer number of replies, now at 355. That's gotta say something! They can't remove you without a member vote, can they? I vote for you to stay!~
Why end a thread? just un-watch it for
Kris t's sake.
Kris t's sake.
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Hey Ed, you might as well stay man. I'll just not watch anymore. Have fun and good luck with your whatever.
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Joey and Roger have been very kind in our communication. I thank them both sincerely, as I do you folks who have chimed in here on my behalf.
Seriously, it ain't about me, never was - to the contrary, I was willing to take the bullet for the good of the site. The strength of this site is the vast knowledge of the membership, after all, not some knucklehead like me.
Folks like Ghost and Kiwi and - good Lord, so many of you are the core of this site and once I caught wind I had somehow upset some of them, I took it as time to go.
I've since been talked out of it by some folks whose opinion I respect and trust.
Look guys, I have no idea how this thread got so dang big - I'll take the blame for the bulk of that - but I don't think it's necessarily all bad that it did.
It morphed, unintentionally, from my continuing to fight a POS engine into some incredibly informative stuff on all manner of how these things are put together.
Further, even though it probably isn't in the right section of the site, it has become a gathering place of sorts for us to catch up with one another and share even more information in the process.
Sorry, but I don't see the harm in that.
Now, back to the matter at hand...
I've gotten ahold of an old wire-type gap gauge and have hacked on it to form makeshift "feelers" in the various sizes so I can actually measure lifter pre-load with everything in place and buttoned up as Doug has suggested.
We're frozen here with some snow on the ground, but the next few days it's supposed to warm up a bit and I'll get out there in the garage and give it a go.
In the meantime, I'd like for you all to take a gander at this engine for sale I've run across for a reasonable price. It's supposedly a rebuilt '73 440 with less than 1500 miles on it. I'd like you alls' opinion!
Seriously, it ain't about me, never was - to the contrary, I was willing to take the bullet for the good of the site. The strength of this site is the vast knowledge of the membership, after all, not some knucklehead like me.
Folks like Ghost and Kiwi and - good Lord, so many of you are the core of this site and once I caught wind I had somehow upset some of them, I took it as time to go.
I've since been talked out of it by some folks whose opinion I respect and trust.
Look guys, I have no idea how this thread got so dang big - I'll take the blame for the bulk of that - but I don't think it's necessarily all bad that it did.
It morphed, unintentionally, from my continuing to fight a POS engine into some incredibly informative stuff on all manner of how these things are put together.
Further, even though it probably isn't in the right section of the site, it has become a gathering place of sorts for us to catch up with one another and share even more information in the process.
Sorry, but I don't see the harm in that.
Now, back to the matter at hand...
I've gotten ahold of an old wire-type gap gauge and have hacked on it to form makeshift "feelers" in the various sizes so I can actually measure lifter pre-load with everything in place and buttoned up as Doug has suggested.
We're frozen here with some snow on the ground, but the next few days it's supposed to warm up a bit and I'll get out there in the garage and give it a go.
In the meantime, I'd like for you all to take a gander at this engine for sale I've run across for a reasonable price. It's supposedly a rebuilt '73 440 with less than 1500 miles on it. I'd like you alls' opinion!
Sounds good in the vid Ed, any more info about it ?
Did all 73 cranks have the pilot hole in them ?
Did all 73 cranks have the pilot hole in them ?
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