1964 Belvedere 426-S 'Street Wedge' vs. 1968 Road Runner '383'

[440 Cuda]

Let the debate begin.

* Stock Engines {Balanced and Blueprinted}
* Stock Exhaust
* 4-Speed
* 3.91 Gears
* 7" Wide x 28" Tall 'Cheater Slicks'

Can either car break under the '14-Second' barrier.

 

[Mopar1969]

426 Street Wedge wins
I think it could get under 14 sec....

Honestly the 383 is kind of a dog.... a loving dog though

 

[6t4polara]

50 FASTEST MUSCLECARS
# YEAR/MODEL ET/MPH ENGINE HP TRANS GEAR SOURCE
1 1966 427 Cobra 12.20@118 427 8V 425 4-Speed 3.54 CC 11/65
2 1966 Corvette 427 12.8@112 L72 427 425 4-Speed 3.36 CD 11/65
3 1969 Road Runner [email protected] 440 Six BBL 390 4-Speed 4.10 SS 6/69
4 1970 Hemi Cuda [email protected] 426 Hemi 425 4-Speed 3.54 CC 11/69
5 1970 Chevelle SS454 [email protected] 454 LS6 450 4-Speed 3.55 CC 11/69
6 1969 Camaro [email protected] 427 ZL1 430 4-Speed 4.10 HC 6/69
7 1968 Corvette 13.30@108 427 6V 435 4-Speed 3.70 HC 5/68
8 1970 Road Runner [email protected] 426 Hemi 425 automatic 4.10 SS 12/69
9 1970 Buick GS Stage I [email protected] 455 Stage I 360 automatic 3.64 MT 1/70
10 1968 Corvette 427 [email protected] L72 427 425 4-Speed 3.55 CD 6/68
11 1969 Charger 500 13.48@109 426 Hemi 425 4-Speed 4.10 HR 2/69
12 1968 Charger 13.50@105 426 Hemi 425 automatic 3.23 CD 11/67
12 1970 Plymouth Superbird 13.50@105 426 Hemi 425 ? ? ?
14 1968 Road Runner [email protected] 426 Hemi 425 automatic 3.55 CD 1/69
15 1973 Trans Am [email protected] 455 SD 310 automatic 3.42 HR 6/73
16 1969 Corvette [email protected] 427 L88 430 automatic 3.36 HR 4/69
17 1969 Super Bee [email protected] 440 Six Pack 390 automatic 4.10 HR 8/69
18 1969 Boss 429 Mustang 13.60@106 Boss 429 375 4-Speed 3.91 HC 9/69
19 1970 Challenger R/T [email protected] 440 Six Pack 390 automatic 3.23 CC 11/69
20 1970 Torino Cobra [email protected] 429 SCJ 370 automatic 3.91 SS 3/70
21 1968 Biscayne 13.65@105 427 L72 425 4-Speed 4.56 SS 4/68
22 1964 Polara 500 [email protected] 426 4V 365 4-Speed 3.23 HC 2/64
23 1969 GTX [email protected] 440 4V 375 automatic 4.10 MT 1/69
24 1969 Dart 440 13.71@105 440 4V 375 automatic 3.55 CC 5/69
25 1971 Road Runner [email protected] 440 Six BBL 390 automatic 4.10 CC 1/71
26 1971 Cuda 13.72@106 440 Six BBL 390 automatic 4.10 SS 4/71
27 1971 Corvette [email protected] 454 LS6 450 4-Speed 3.36 CL 8/71
28 1971 Super Bee 13.73@104 426 Hemi 425 automatic 4.10 MT 12/70
29 1968 Hurst/Olds [email protected] 455 W-30 390 automatic 3.91 SS 8/68
30 1970 Hemi 'Cuda [email protected] 426 Hemi 425 automatic 4.10 MT 9/69
31 1968 Firebird 13.79@106 400 HO 335 4-Speed N/A HR 3/68
32 1967 Corvette 13.80@108 427 6V 435 4-Speed 3.55 HR 5/67
33 1965 Catalina 13.80@106 421 6V ? 4-Speed 3.42 CD 3/65
34 1969 Super Bee Six Pack [email protected] 440 Six BBL 390 automatic 4.10 CD 7/69
35 1971 Boss 351 Mustang 13.80@104 Boss 351 330 4-Speed 3.91 MT 1/71
36 1966 Satellite 13.81@104 426 Hemi 425 4-Speed 3.54 CD 4/66
37 1969 Coronet R/T [email protected] 440 4V 375 4-Speed 4.10 SS 4/69
38 1968 Cyclone GT [email protected] 428 CJ 335 automatic 4.11 MT 8/68
39 1969 Nova SS 396 [email protected] 396 4V 375 automatic 3.55 HR 7/69
40 1969 Shelby GT-500 [email protected] 428 CJ 335 4-Speed 3.91 SS 9/69
41 1969 Cyclone Cobra Jet [email protected] 428 CJ 335 automatic 4.11 MT 1/69
42 1970 Olds 4-4-2 W-30 [email protected] 455 W-30 370 automatic 3.42 CC 11/69
43 1962 Corvette [email protected] 327 FI 360 4-Speed 4.10 HR 1/62
44 1969 Barracuda [email protected] 440 4V 375 automatic 4.10 SS 8/69
45 1962 Catalina 13.90@107 421 4V ? 4-Speed 4.30 MT 5/62
46 1969 Mustang Mach I [email protected] 428 CJ 335 automatic 3.50 CL 3/69
47 1967 GTO [email protected] 400 RA 360 automatic 4.33 CL 10/67
48 1970 Trans Am 13.90@102 400 RA 345 4-Speed 3.91 HR 2/70
49 1970 Torino Cobra 13.99@101 429 4V ? 4-Speed 3.91 MT 2/70
Legend: CC=Car Craft, CD=Car and Driver, CL=Car Life, HC=Hi Performance Cars, HR=Hot Rod, MCR=Muscle Car Review, MM=Mopar Muscle, MT=Motor Trend, SS=Super Stock

 

[440 Cuda]

Factory Advertised Specifications

426-S 'Street Wedge'______________________Engine Dyno_____________NHRA
* 365 HP @ 4800 RPM's ...................................... 315 HP ....................... 291 HP
* 470 Ft/Lbs. of Torque @ 3200 RPM's

Road Runner '383'_________________________Engine Dyno____________NHRA
* 335 HP @ 5000 RPM's ....................................... 310 HP ...................... 300 HP
* 425 Ft/Lbs. of Torque @ 3400 RPM's

 

[383man]

I only ever saw one road test of the 64 Street wedge and it only had 3.23 gears and with the extra weight of the test equipment it ran 15.1. Myself an all stock 426 street wedge in a 64 Ply with 3.91's should run easy mid 14's all stock. With a good super tune I would think it could crack 13''s with a good driver. Most 383 Runners with 3.23's all stock ran low 15's to high 14's. With 3.91's and a good super tune I would think mid to low 14's all stock. All stock I would give the edge to the 64 Ply 426 street wedge.
That 13 second 426 street wedge 1964 Dodge in the 50 fastest was most likely super tuned as most did not get in the 13's stock. The 426 street wedge did not have a very good intake or exh as the basic 440 I believe had a better intake and exh. Now if we talk Max Wedge.............well with just the cutouts popped open and cheater slicks Hot Rods low comp 63 Maxie hit 12.60's @ 112 ! Ron

 

[440 Cuda]

1964 Belvedere {Sedan} "426" Commando

* Shipping Weight....... #3347 lbs.
* 426/365 HP
* 9.17 Wt/HP {Weight-to-Horsepower}
* 1964 NHRA Class {A/S or A/SA = 8.70 to 9.49 Wt/HP}

Car Magazine Tests

With a 4-Speed and 3.55 Gears, and stock tires 7.50 x 14" {27.5" tall}, most came in with Elapsed Times between 15.10 and 15.30, and with the MPH between 93 to 95.

* 'Road Test Magazine' pulled a 14.91 @ 96.7 MPH, which claimed the best ET and MPH.

 

[Herr_Poopschitz]

Friend's all stock 66 Coronet 500 w/ a 383 auto and 3.23s went 14.70s like clockwork on Mag 500s w/ street radials (1300 ft). W/ a 4 speed, 3.91s, and stickier tires I would certainly think 13's wouldn't be out of the question.

64 w/ a 426? Duh.

This of course is assuming that someone who can launch and shift worth a damn is piloting.

Jeez these cars were slow.

 

[super-bee_ski]

Yeah,
I'm just watching the posts on this one....
I'm unsure of the "winner"
Too many variables.

 

[440 Cuda]

The 'NHRA' Horsepower Numbers

Make --------------------- 1964 Belvedere 'Sedan' --------- 1968 Road Runner 'Pillared Coupe'

Shipping Weight ------------ #3347 lbs. ----------------------- #3422 lbs.

Engine ----------------------- 426/365 HP -------------------- 383/335 HP

* 1964 ............................ 365 = 9.17 Wt/HP {A/S}
* 1965 ............................ 365 = 9.17 Wt/HP {A/S}
* 1966 ............................ 365 = 9.17 Wt/HP {B/S}
* 1967 ............................ 365 = 9.17 Wt/HP {A/S}
* 1968 ............................ 365 = 9.17 Wt/HP {C/S} ---------- 335 = 10.21 {E/S}
* 1969 ............................ 365 = 9.17 Wt/HP {D/S} ---------- 335 = 10.21 {F/S
* 1970 ............................ 365 = 9.17 Wt/HP {E/S} ---------- 335 = 10.21 {G/S}
* 1971 ............................ 365 = 9.17 Wt/HP {F/S} ---------- 335 = 10.21 {G/S}
* 1973 ............................ 365 = 9.17 Wt/HP {C/S} ---------- 335 = 10.21 {E/S}
* 1976 ............................ 340 = 9.84 Wt/HP {D/S} ---------- 320 = 10.72 {F/S}
* 1979 ............................ 320 = 10.46 Wt/HP {E/S} --------- 315 = 10.86 {F/S}
* 1991............................. 315 = 10.62 Wt/HP {F/S} --------- 310 = 11.04 {G/S}
* 1995 ............................ 320 = 10.46 Wt/HP {E/S} --------- 310 = 11.04 {G/S}
* 2003 ............................ 320 = 10.46 Wt/HP {E/S} --------- 300 = 11.40 {G/S}
* 2010 ............................ 300 = 11.15 Wt/HP {G/S} --------- 300 = 11.40 {G/S}
* 2011 ............................ 296 = 11.31 Wt/HP {G/S} --------- 300 = 11.40 {G/S}
* 2012 ............................ 291 = 11.51 Wt/HP {H/S} --------- 300 = 11.40 {G/S}

 

[440 Cuda]

Actual Performance

1964 Belvedere 'Sedan'
'426' Commando
Stock Engine
Balanced and Blueprinted
Stock Exhaust
4-Speed
Hurst Shifter
3.91 Gears
7" Wide x 28" Tall 'Prowler Cheater Slicks'

Best Performance....... 14.26 @ 97.50 MPH

 

[Herr_Poopschitz]

Actual Performance

1964 Belvedere 'Sedan'
'426' Commando
Stock Engine
Balanced and Blueprinted
Stock Exhaust
4-Speed
Hurst Shifter
3.91 Gears
7" Wide x 28" Tall 'Prowler Cheater Slicks'

Best Performance....... 14.26 @ 97.50 MPH

Source?

 

[440 Cuda]

Camshaft Specifications

426 'Street Wedge
Lift............. .431"/.431"
Duration...... 268*/268*
Overlap....... 48*

Road Runner 383
Lift............ .450"/.458"
Duration..... 268*/284*
Overlap...... 46*

Note; Originally, the Road Runner 383 was supposed to have it's own 'Special Camshaft'
Lift............ .450"/.465"
Duration..... 276*/292*
Overlap....... 54*

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[440 Cuda]

Cheeto

Motor Trend {January 1964}

Tested a 1964 Plymouth 'Sport Fury' with a 426/365 HP. A 4-Speed with 2.93 Gears {Open Rear} and 7.50 x 14" Tires.

Performance......... 15.20 @ 95 MPH

Note: The 'Sport Fury' was {+100 lbs.} heavier than the Belvedere 'Sedan'.

 

[440 Cuda]

Cheeto

I believe the 1964 Plymouth Belvedere 'Sedan' ~ "426" Commando.

* Shipping Weight............................ #3347 lbs.
* Front-to-Rear Weight Distribution..... 54/46 {1807 lbs. / 1540 lbs.}

I don't recall ever seeing a 1964 Plymouth {426 Street Wedge} have traction problems at the Track with 7" Wide Slicks in Stock Class.