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65 K frame: oil pan clearance MOD?

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HAVE: 65 Coronet, 65 K frame, 65 4-spd. 69 440 with B/E 6qt. Mancini pan.

I'd rather leave on the 6 qt. b/E pan rather than install the "oh so hard to find" 65 RB pan. The engine was originally built to go in a 70 E body. The decision has only just been made to put it in the 65.

I would rather modify (section) the K-frame to allow the later oil pan to fit. I assume that this is the only difference?

Would the centerlink clear with the B/E pan?

Plan B? go AWB and make frame mounts or a motor plate.
 
huh, im using Miloden 7qt with no problem .... center link is close, but doesnt hit
 
Using milodon to but my k-frame is modified. Don't know which qt. Came with the car when i bought it. I know 65 engines are more off-centre then others...
 
Using milodon to but my k-frame is modified. Don't know which qt. Came with the car when i bought it. I know 65 engines are more off-centre then others...

yeah, you got that right... offset is rediculous !!:grin:
 
Guys, I'm new to this website, but been rodding Mopars for over 30 years now. I typically only mess with Hemis, but have ran some RB combinations with the later model K-member in place. On the K-member, I've always switched to the later K-member for several reasons:

It moves the engine back a couple inches; it allows you to run the later model idler arm which is a 'captive' version instead of the old 'bottom bolt' arrangement, which are just plain sloppy and wear prematurely from the lack of support; it allowed me to use late model TTI headers; and it gives me a little extra room up front for additional cooling(thicker radiator) and a mechanical fan if desired.

I found the interference with the cross-ram to be so smalll that a small dimple was all that was needed to provide 1/4" clearance. On the later model headers (2-1/8") the center link gave about 3/8" clearance, and the 7 QT wedge pan sat within 1/4" off the center link. Since the center link pivots 'away' from the pan, it's not an issue.

On the headers, I talked to Sam at TTI, who explained that many customers 'claim' that the late model headers won't work in the 62-65's, but I can tell you that, if you use the later model K-member, they worked for me - acknowledging they were close - but no pipe required modification (denting) and none of them made contact with 'other' parts during operation.

On the valve covers, I typically ran the factory chrome covers with no trouble - especially when using the factory or Schumacher mounts. However, if you dont' mind a little fabrication, and are very patient, I have been able to 'adjust' engine position to accept the cast valve covers from Stage V.

If you install the engine (using a 7 qt pan) and trans together it'll 'wedge', but it can be 'pushed' into position (the pan will slightly drag on the K-member). Engine first, then trans, ensures a clean 'drop in' scenario.

On the trans X-member, run the later model, re-drill 2 holes, and trim the excess. That's all that's required.

On the Z-bar and clutch linkage, there's enough 'pivot' in the frame mount to get you about half way to perpendicular, and, if you use the right pivot on the bellhousing, you can dial in the rest. It's not rocket science...

The drive shaft was not an issue, since I always ran the later model drive shaft from any B-body.

I hope this helps guys, as this has been my experience. I'm gettting ready to install a Barton prepped 528 in my 64 Dodge Polara, and I have outlined exactly how it will be installed above. I'll upload some pics as the project progresses.

David, in Raleigh, NC

64 Dodge Polara
 
That is good info, and post your pics when you can.
 
David: THANK YOU!:yes::yes::yes:...and welcome to the real funhouse.

Good info;I'd like to see some info from wedge owners who've done this(late K) swap. I'm presuming you're running a Hemi? You mentioned the Stage V covers...

YES! We want pics. Lots of pics.
 
Let me restate my problem / question:

I have a 65 V8 K frame in my 65 Coronet. I want to install my 69-440 that has a Mancini 6 qt B/E oil pan. Since the late B/E K frame set the engine 2" further back, I'm guessing that the pan would interfere by 2" onto the 65 K frame (yes?)

Rather than install the 65 RB pan, I would rather notch/brace the back of the K frame to fit the newer pan. I just want to make sure the back of the oil pan would clear the centerlink.

If I go AWB...the point in moot! lol
 
I'd have to agree with 65-440. Of all the cars I've ran with either the original, or later model K-member, and the original Hemi 6 qt pans and, it's never been an issue. I too run mostly the Milodon stuff, and have never even specified which car it was going in to, and they always fit.

There is a quick and easy way to check it.

Put the pan on your engine with just a couple bolts (hand tight). Put the motor mounts up in place. Then, hang a couple strings (plumb bob - or just a couple bolts) down at the center of your mounts (while they're on the block). Use a straight edge from there to chalk a line from one side to the other across the surface of the oil pan. You can even tie a string to one mount and 'pull' the other end (across the oil pan) and tie it to the mount on the opposite side. Wouldn't be hard to "snap a line" at that point...

Then, remove the oil pan, flip it upside down, and visually verify where it will reside once down in the car.

Might not be the answer you're looking for, but that's how I'd do it.

Southernman
 
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