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An Observation

skyman51

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I recently heard several car guys discussing the recent RM auction in Auburn, IN. They were bemoaning that as a rule there were no great muscle car sales. One guy has a real hemi charger that he bought four years ago, and he is upset that it is now worth much less than he paid for it. If this is why folks bought cars, checking ther current value like a stock portfolio, than shame on them. Personally I don't care what my cars are currently worth, because I am not selling them, and I bought them, because of my love of the hobby, not as a part of my retirement. Cars, like houses, art and many other things are not worth what they were and may never be again. Enjoy your ride and be happy you have it. I am.
 
I can understand their thinking. i just lost $200,000 on a 2nd home. it sucks. this car is 1/2 of what i was able to get 4 years ago for it. its more of how much lower will these prices go or maybe i should have waited longer till i bought something because i could of gotten it cheaper.
to me i dont care because i love what i have. i can always make more money.
 

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I can understand their thinking. i just lost $200,000 on a 2nd home. it sucks. this car is 1/2 of what i was able to get 4 years ago for it. its more of how much lower will these prices go or maybe i should have waited longer till i bought something because i could of gotten it cheaper.
to me i dont care because i love what i have. i can always make more money.[/QUOT

I assume that is a Hemi. Beautiful unique car! Enjoy it. How many other real ones have you seen? That feeling is priceless.
 
The days of collecting cars because of your love of cars is gone [except for the few] many scarfed up the unique ones for resale at a later date [to make money] i'm glad the value has gone down maybe us true car lovers my be able to purchase these gems [when the greedy bastards have financial problems] and give them a home where they are apreciated for what they are, not for their worth. I personally would love to have a collection of just regular classics to enjoy and maintain but the present economy prohibits that, hopefully there are some of us that are able to purchase these cars and enjoy them for what they were meant for to drive and enjoy and share/perserve some history for others to enjoy.
 
The days of collecting cars because of your love of cars is gone [except for the few] many scarfed up the unique ones for resale at a later date [to make money] i'm glad the value has gone down maybe us true car lovers my be able to purchase these gems [when the greedy bastards have financial problems] and give them a home where they are apreciated for what they are, not for their worth. I personally would love to have a collection of just regular classics to enjoy and maintain but the present economy prohibits that, hopefully there are some of us that are able to purchase these cars and enjoy them for what they were meant for to drive and enjoy and share/perserve some history for others to enjoy.

Here Here! I am sure you will get the chance to buy a gem. Many that bought to make a buck and not for the hobby stupidly did it with borrowed money and now are between a rock and a hard place because they borrowed more than it is now worth and they can't understand why they can't sell it for what they paid for it.
 
Alot of people buy cars for value..It,s like realestate or even gold...They really are not car people like most of us on the forum...Yes our cars have lost value...Just like my home...But I will sell my home when I retire but NOT MY gTX!!!My grand kids will be fightin over who gets my car!!!
Petty Blue 67 gTx
 
My observation: SUPERSTOCKRACER's black 'Cuda is so bad it gives me the willies.
If I had the wherewithal to screw together a 'Cuda, it would look just...like...that.
 
The downturn has allowed me to get back into the hobby after about a decade and a half of not being able to afford anything.
I wasn't about to pay $5K for a rusted out 318 car, just like I wasn't about to finance $250K for an 1100 sq/ft house on .20 acre.

I DO own them because I like them, and I like 318s and 400s.
if it's rare and/or unique, that's great as well.
If you get a good deal, even better.
 
Another observation I had during the "boom" is how many Chevy and Ford people all of the sudden became MoPar people. All of the sudden there was a flood of "professionally" restored cars missing some vital details such as the grille blackout and too much paint on the undercarriage. By the time the rest of the world caught up to what many of us already knew - that MoPars are indeed cool - they realized that finding a factory perf car was not as easy as they thought, thus putting prices out of control. You will note my signature line is in response to this. With a total of ~10,000 HEMI cars built from 66-71 not everyone can have one!! DUH! But it seems that you can have as many Mustangs and Camaros as you could get your hands on. With about 350,000 Mustangs produced in 68 alone, Ford probably made more of them in six months than the total production of Belvederes from 68-70 - and Road Runners were a huge seller for Plymouth. My 66 361 Belvedere is one of 1300 cars made and it's not even a factory high perf car. That's a joke, right??! Chevy probably made more 66 Malibus on their lunch hour!!

Truth is I appreciate all the cars but when it comes down to me owning a few I look for what I like first but also factor in the business end of things. For instance. If I had to sell my cars in a hurry will they sell fast and for decent money? Some will but some won't and non cloned "correct" perf cars seem to always find a home.
 
just like I wasn't about to finance $250K for an 1100 sq/ft house on .20 acre.

That's a dream come true in my part of the world!!!
 
I don't blame you i live in a mobile home [past 22 years] built my shop with scrap materals so i could afford to pay bills and play with cars,i have built several cars through the years and had to sell them due to financial problems,but my cuda will be with me till i die then the boys can fight over it, i will own another mopar some day this one will be a roadrunner like my high school car.
 
I can understand their thinking. i just lost $200,000 on a 2nd home. it sucks. this car is 1/2 of what i was able to get 4 years ago for it. its more of how much lower will these prices go or maybe i should have waited longer till i bought something because i could of gotten it cheaper.
to me i dont care because i love what i have. i can always make more money.

1. The house I live in was $1,000,000. in 2006, today I just reduced the sales price to $550,000. fortunately it is paid for so no one is going to take it away from me.

2. Most high end collector cars are currently worth 1/2 of what they were at the top of the market.

3.Hindsight is ALWAYS 20/20 isn't it? LOL!
How much lower? I don't really think things will go any lower for real estate or cars but I thing they will remain at these low prices for some time to come depending on IF the general economy gets back on it's feet. In 1987 when we had Black Monday on the stock market investors turned to tangible items such as collectable cars as investment that put the prices through the roof. It lasted for less then two years before prices plummeted and it took 10 years to begin to recover. This did not happen this time. Why? Maybe we learned something. However, MOST things are cyclical. Our old muscle cars are going to have a lot of factors that are going to effect any type of economic recovery if that is what you are looking at.
A. The number of people that are tied to the love of these old cars due to fond memories are getting older and MOST are less likely to buy one in their golden years.
B. There are less and less younger people that have an interest in our old cars as they have no memories to bind them to these cars unless their dad had one as an old hobby car, but that is a small number in the big picture. Take a kid to an old car show if you want to help perpetuate the hobby.
C. New muscle cars are effecting the values of our old cars.
D. Fuel cost will effect it as well.

4. If you have a good trade/business that is bulletproof then maybe, but VERY few are. Most people are spending only what they HAVE to today. An example is auto repair for shops that have a clinetle' that drive 5 year old+ cars are really hurting because people are driving these cars with the air not working, and other repairs needed that they are not doing due to the cost. Don't ASSUME that you can ALWAYS make more money. Unless you have a printing press in the basement that you are printing your own money with. LOL!
 
I'm happy prices are going down, because i'm in college and can't buy the stuff i would like. In a perfect world I wouldn't care about the value because i would keep my cars forever, But since it's not It's nice to know that all the money i dump into my car will be somewhat recouped if i had to sell it.
 
696Pack i agree with every point you made and i beleve that things are going to get worse and if anyone thinks that the economy is going to bounce back to where it was long ago they are mistaken. I'm sorry you have to take a hit on your home investment but who woulda thought the economy would do this. I personally would never spend that on a home or lotsa $ on a classic car [even if i could] cause i'm cheap,good luck on your home sale.
 
696Pack i agree with every point you made and i beleve that things are going to get worse and if anyone thinks that the economy is going to bounce back to where it was long ago they are mistaken. I'm sorry you have to take a hit on your home investment but who woulda thought the economy would do this. I personally would never spend that on a home or lotsa $ on a classic car [even if i could] cause i'm cheap,good luck on your home sale.

The $1,000,000. value was overpriced as with most homes that went up too much too fast. I bought it 14 years ago and have about $375,000. in it. With normal appreciation it SHOULD be worth about $700-800K but the real estate market in areas that had rediculous appreciation have now ORVERCORRECTED in their values.

While not happy with the currect value of my home that is the way it is and as with old cars if you WANT to sell in these time that is the way it is unless you get lucky enough to find someone that falls in love with what you have and is willing to pay more for it.

I am at the point in my life that I am downsizing possessions and I will do what I feel I have to do. In the grand scheme of things in the last 40 years I have made a lot of money on both real estate and old cars so over all it is no big deal. However most people have a short memory in a situation like this and cry in their beer about the way it is TODAY.
 
I hope my house value goes down more. I am paying less taxes that way and I am not planning on selling for at least 20 more years :p
 
My taxes on my home went down....but only a couple of percentage points. Big whoop. I collected a lot of things/parts etc not because I thought I could sell them later but because I figured I would be able to use them on a project....well, many projects lol. Now I'm selling because I'm trying to down size and most of my projects have either been completed or sold (mostly sold). In a way, I'm glad I collected so much stuff but man, it got out of hand and has been in the way mostly. I have one more car I want to put back together but I can barely move in my shop! I bought my home in 84 but with all the money I've put into it over the years has made me more or less upside down in it. Money pit from hell! If I do get the chance to move out, my next place will have wheels on it but there will be at 5000 sq ft 'barn' to keep it in and will be on land that has an ag exemption!
 
The $1,000,000. value was overpriced as with most homes that went up too much too fast. I bought it 14 years ago and have about $375,000. in it. With normal appreciation it SHOULD be worth about $700-800K but the real estate market in areas that had rediculous appreciation have now ORVERCORRECTED in their values.

While not happy with the currect value of my home that is the way it is and as with old cars if you WANT to sell in these time that is the way it is unless you get lucky enough to find someone that falls in love with what you have and is willing to pay more for it.

I am at the point in my life that I am downsizing possessions and I will do what I feel I have to do. In the grand scheme of things in the last 40 years I have made a lot of money on both real estate and old cars so over all it is no big deal. However most people have a short memory in a situation like this and cry in their beer about the way it is TODAY.

I too should be downsizing. Where did the las t 40 years go? I was 16 and driving when all these 60's cars were new and just cool cars. Fortunately I don;t have to sell anything, including my cars, but I really don't need three anymore and a fourth in restoration. I have health issues so I can't drive anymore, but I still enjoy what I have because my wife or a car friend will drive a car to a show or a cruise,even the max wedge.
 
Luckily I bought the fish before the recent "bubble" and the RR post bubble crash I think I did well as I won't lose out if I sold either today. I bought them both because I love the hell out of 'em, but these things are not cheap anymore, and while it would be nice if they went up in value, crap happens, and I'd like to at least be able to get what I got in them some day should I have to sell.

Meep-Meep, you'll love this ad , LOL. The seller states "I didn't realize Mopar was so much more expensive to restore than my typical chevy. So I have decided to bail on the project."

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970...2486607?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item1e66ba07cf
 
Luckily I bought the fish before the recent "bubble" and the RR post bubble crash I think I did well as I won't lose out if I sold either today. I bought them both because I love the hell out of 'em, but these things are not cheap anymore, and while it would be nice if they went up in value, crap happens, and I'd like to at least be able to get what I got in them some day should I have to sell.

Meep-Meep, you'll love this ad , LOL. The seller states "I didn't realize Mopar was so much more expensive to restore than my typical chevy. So I have decided to bail on the project."

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970...2486607?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item1e66ba07cf


:rolling: Case in point.
 
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