Charger 1971 Prod Numbers Book

[enriquerdz]

Hello does anyone know here where can I buy the book with the production numbers for the charger 1971 ?
I have seen members posting comments like "In my book says that there *** units produced"

Anyways I wanted to check how rare is a 1971 charger with these options:
1971 Charger 500, 383 4-Speed , Red exterior, white interior, bucket seats, console , pistol grip, vinyl , tinted glass


WP23: Charger 500
N1A: 383 300HP 1-4BBL 8 CYL 1971 Lynch Road, MI, USA
L65: Ignition Switch Lamp /with time delay
D21: 4 Speed Manual Transmission
FE5: Bright Red (Dodge), Rallye Red (Plymouth, Chrysler & Imperial) Exterior Color
D6XW: Trim - Luxury, Vinyl Bucket Seats, Black/White
TX9: Black (Dodge), Formal Black (Plymouth) Int. Door Frames
C16: Build Date: December 16
118537: Order number

V1X: Full Vinyl Top, Black
U: USA Specifications
VC8: Indigo Metallic (Dodge), Mood Indico Metallic (Plymouth) Top Color
C16: Console w/Woodgrain Panel

G11: Tinted Glass (all)

 

[70chall440]

There are a variety of books out there, some available and others not.

The books that seem unavailable are Govier's White Books which are handy and do pop up on eBay or perhaps some of these Mopar sites.

The available books are from Dave Wise (google his website).

Now as to determining the rarity or lack thereof of any of these cars you need to know that Mopar really only tracked the model, sub-model, engine and transmission. So for your example I am seeing 187 Charger 500's with a 383 and 4spd were made.

All of the other options have to be extrapolated from total production of that option across the models/year and then applied towards the percentage that your car represents. In other words if they installed 1000 black vinyl tops across all of the models (that a vinyl top was available on) and a Charger 500 was 1% of all of those cars then you can say that 10 Charger 500's "might" have had black vinyl tops.

The colors are slightly different in that I think there are some actual figures out there of how many were painted a specific color, especially the high impact colors. I am sure someone will jump on here and chime in.

This is where all of the "1 or 1" BS comes from, if you drill down far enough pretty much every 60's-70's Mopar was a 1 of 1 or close to it.

IMO unless the car is a survivor and/or a full restoration with complete documentation none of that crap makes any real difference because any of it except the year, model, sub-model, engine could be changed without the ability to determine if it came that way or not. On top of that, while 70's muscle car prices fluctuate, the real money will always be with the top of the breed meaning Hemi or perhaps 6 pac cars. I.e. you could have a /6 car that was highly optioned (or not optioned at all) and basically a 1 of 1 car but it will never command the price that pretty much any V8 will. Sure there are exceptions but not many.

 

[enriquerdz]

There are a variety of books out there, some available and others not.

The books that seem unavailable are Govier's White Books which are handy and do pop up on eBay or perhaps some of these Mopar sites.

The available books are from Dave Wise (google his website).

Now as to determining the rarity or lack thereof of any of these cars you need to know that Mopar really only tracked the model, sub-model, engine and transmission. So for your example I am seeing 187 Charger 500's with a 383 and 4spd were made.

All of the other options have to be extrapolated from total production of that option across the models/year and then applied towards the percentage that your car represents. In other words if they installed 1000 black vinyl tops across all of the models (that a vinyl top was available on) and a Charger 500 was 1% of all of those cars then you can say that 10 Charger 500's "might" have had black vinyl tops.

The colors are slightly different in that I think there are some actual figures out there of how many were painted a specific color, especially the high impact colors. I am sure someone will jump on here and chime in.

This is where all of the "1 or 1" BS comes from, if you drill down far enough pretty much every 60's-70's Mopar was a 1 of 1 or close to it.

IMO unless the car is a survivor and/or a full restoration with complete documentation none of that crap makes any real difference because any of it except the year, model, sub-model, engine could be changed without the ability to determine if it came that way or not. On top of that, while 70's muscle car prices fluctuate, the real money will always be with the top of the breed meaning Hemi or perhaps 6 pac cars. I.e. you could have a /6 car that was highly optioned (or not optioned at all) and basically a 1 of 1 car but it will never command the price that pretty much any V8 will. Sure there are exceptions but not many.

Thank you very informative, I will try to get those books

For this car I'm asking is for sale and there is good paperwork available, car has fender tag and the broadcast sheet is there as well the original Bill of sale with all the options paid, total bill is marked as $4,554.52

Is an all matching numbers car, fender tag, vin plate, door vin decal still there, good paperwork from original owner comes with the sale, original engine does start.
Is an unmolested car everything still in the car, problem is has rust like normal east coast cars.

I might make an offer for this car.

 

[#41]

I would say 187 is an interesting factoid, but does not really add value to the car.... so buy because you love it, not because of it's production numbers. It looks like a neat car. Hopefully its not too far gone and you can get a good deal on it.

 

[69Coronetrt]

All of the other options have to be extrapolated from total production of that option across the models/year and then applied towards the percentage that your car represents. In other words if they installed 1000 black vinyl tops across all of the models (that a vinyl top was available on) and a Charger 500 was 1% of all of those cars then you can say that 10 Charger 500's "might" have had black vinyl tops.

This the type of erroneous voodoo math that many people try to employ and it does not hold up to scrutiny.

It's based on the belief there is a linear application across all other variables and is without sound documentation.
The distribution of Vinyl tops could skew toward certain submodes or applications that do not apply to a specific example.
The distribution of vinyl tops on an SE would likely be different than a WL model and may not apply at all to a WH model, yet one wants to weight the distribution across all models.

You can't cross multiply various options and come up with a new number. The reports just do not work that way.

It is difficult for people to accept and admit 'we don't know' which is the correct answer in this case.

It is unfair to offer an answer that cannot be documented with factory info or sound reason.

 

[#41]

It is difficult for people to accept and admit 'we don't know' which is the correct answer in this case.

It is unfair to offer an answer that cannot be documented with factory info or sound reason.

LOL "unfair"? It's perfectly fine to speculate given that we will never know this stuff, and his statement was quite clear on that.
This is exactly the kind of light-hearted, speculative stuff that you have fun talking to your Mopar buddies about while sipping on an adult beverage in the shop. You should try it!

 

[70chall440]

This the type of erroneous voodoo math that many people try to employ and it does not hold up to scrutiny.

It's based on the belief there is a linear application across all other variables and is without sound documentation.
The distribution of Vinyl tops could skew toward certain submodes or applications that do not apply to a specific example.
The distribution of vinyl tops on an SE would likely be different than a WL model and may not apply at all to a WH model, yet one wants to weight the distribution across all models.

You can't cross multiply various options and come up with a new number. The reports just do not work that way.

It is difficult for people to accept and admit 'we don't know' which is the correct answer in this case.

It is unfair to offer an answer that cannot be documented with factory info or sound reason.

I would agree with this position however this is how many in the hobby to include his highness Galen has done it for years. I am not saying I agree or even subscribe to the method, merely offering it up as something that is done (right or wrong).

 

[Wile E Coyote]

There are a variety of books out there, some available and others not.

The available books are from Dave Wise (google his website).

Now as to determining the rarity or lack thereof of any of these cars you need to know that Mopar really only tracked the model, sub-model, engine and transmission. So for your example I am seeing 187 Charger 500's with a 383 and 4spd were made.

70chall440 - Great info on the 71 Charger 500 showing 1 of 187 with 383 and 4spd! What do your resources show for a 71 Charger SE with 383 4spd? Thanks!

 

[70chall440]

70chall440 - Great info on the 71 Charger 500 showing 1 of 187 with 383 and 4spd! What do your resources show for a 71 Charger SE with 383 4spd? Thanks!

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According to my book they made 195 71 Charger SE's with a 383 4 speed

 

[Wile E Coyote]

According to my book they made 195 71 Charger SE's with a 383 4 speed

Thank you very much!!!!

 

[70chall440]

Thank you very much!!!!

Very welcome

 

[70chall440]

The funny thing is that I have those numbers but not production numbers for a plain old 71 318 Charger (WH23G).

 

[Bee1971]

Yep , just looked in my 7th Edition white book

No numbers for the 1971 Charger 318 2 B and 383 2 B - Just dashes

Just had a good friend pick up for the most part an original , decent shape , factory 1974 Dodge Charger 318 2 B - 4 Speed Pistol grip console - Fender tag and broadcast sheet