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I feel for you i'm not unemployed as of yet this year may be different. I can't beleve how our government blatantly lies to us big busness does not want to stop bringing feriners here to work cause they work for nothing compaired to us whom need better pay for our outragiously high bills greed has ruined this country and we must take it back before they give it all away.
 
I am unemployed for almost two years now, but sorry, I can't give much sympathy. While I agree that giving anything to the Chinese is wrong, especially our tax dollars, the unions in this country have priced themselves way out of competition with the rest of the world. The only thing that has kept us from following Europe down the hole is the move away from unions over the past couple of decades. It made me sick to see the tax dollars of millions of people making $10-$15/hour go towards bailing out the auto unions so those guys could keep their $40/hour jobs.............. Sorry...
 
I do agree this country has a lot of issue's, but I love her never the less. Ever since I raised my right hand and vowed to protect her from all enemies foriegn and domestic, looking at the flag has a whole new meaning, besides just a piece of fabric. I'm sure other vet's here would raise their hands and easily agree. Being in an expeditionary force I traveled the world a lot. Met a lot of good people, met a lot of bad people. One thing I can say for certain....There is no way I would want to live anywhere else but here in the good old US of A. After every deployment I took, there was nothing that matched the feeling of peeking out the window and seeing the shores of my country. Maybe's it's a matter of seeing some of the worst of human kind that makes me appreciate even the little things I have or maybe it's just a strong sense of pride. Either way, i'm not going anywhere. I got my mopars, good health, happy family, a little chunk of land and i'll take the problems as they come.

I guess one of my first commander's sumed it up for me before deploying for the first time. He said "Boys.......God, Country, Mother, Apple Pie"

As far as the unions.....again, met some good ones, met some bad ones. One thing that is positively clear and is not just confined to unions by any means is the fact that 3/4 of all the problems we face is due to greed in one way or another. It's sickening.

I'm not saying you gotta be a vet to have a true heartfelt love and pride for this country. A farmer draging a plow across his fields, a truck driver hauling his load across across a lost old endless highway, a gearhead from fbbo turning a wrench on his first mopar and folks from all other walks of life, i'm sure share in the same love and respect I have for this place.
 
Stumper said:
I am unemployed for almost two years now, but sorry, I can't give much sympathy. While I agree that giving anything to the Chinese is wrong, especially our tax dollars, the unions in this country have priced themselves way out of competition with the rest of the world. The only thing that has kept us from following Europe down the hole is the move away from unions over the past couple of decades. It made me sick to see the tax dollars of millions of people making $10-$15/hour go towards bailing out the auto unions so those guys could keep their $40/hour jobs.............. Sorry...
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I have to disagree with you, it has been historically the unions that have given you the rights in the work place like the 40 hour work week, overtime, and the 30 min lunch period and have gotten us were we are today with those rights, If you think a craftsman isn't worth what he charges or makes per hour than go work at walmart and be happy no one in this country is following dunk from Europe we are Americans we make our own rules and your tax dollars are not going to the unions that is just talking head non sense to be followed by sheep over the cliff lol union members spend just as much as you do for gas, food , commodities. No one person or group of people put back into this economy more than the hard working men and women of the trade and other non governmental unions, don't blame us for you not having work.

it's the unions who fought and won for the livable wage. With out them you all would be making $3.25 an hour and thinking you were rich and scared as hell to do anything about it!. Don't know about you but living in a fracking comi state like that just ain't gunna happen man.

You want to be made at stuff not being made here, then make it mandatory that all contracts include MADE IN THE USA! then these pencil pushing bean counters can't look for the cheapest place to get the product and screw us out of jobs. It all starts wit the American voice.
 
I would rather see it going to US Unions instead of the Chinese. Its one thing when its done behind your back but it totally different when they rub your nose in it. Permitting it has nothing to do with having respect for your country but it has a lot to do with forgetting why you fought to protect her in the first place. In the late 70's and early 80's the market was flooded with Japanese and Canadian steel, now its China, maybe it will be India next year.:poke:
 
bigmanjbmopar said:
I have to disagree with you, it has been historically the unions that have given you the rights in the work place like the 40 hour work week, overtime, and the 30 min lunch period and have gotten us were we are today with those rights, If you think a craftsman isn't worth what he charges or makes per hour than go work at walmart and be happy no one in this country is following dunk from Europe we are Americans we make our own rules and your tax dollars are not going to the unions that is just talking head non sense to be followed by sheep over the cliff lol union members spend just as much as you do for gas, food , commodities. No one person or group of people put back into this economy more than the hard working men and women of the trade and other non governmental unions, don't blame us for you not having work.

it's the unions who fought and won for the livable wage. With out them you all would be making $3.25 an hour and thinking you were rich and scared as hell to do anything about it!. Don't know about you but living in a fracking comi state like that just ain't gunna happen man.

You want to be made at stuff not being made here, then make it mandatory that all contracts include MADE IN THE USA! then these pencil pushing bean counters can't look for the cheapest place to get the product and screw us out of jobs. It all starts wit the American voice.
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Boy, I'm right beside you on this one. The unions were a huge part of creating a middle class in this country. When union members were working and making good wages, they were the same ones who were spending money for goods and services from their local stores and shops. Without the people who can spend money, the business man is dead in the water. True that workers in other countries work cheaper than us. We've established a standard of living that depends on the those kinds of wages and salaries. Those workers in the other countries aren't playing around with old Mopars like we are. That's what it takes for a truly healthy economy, people who can spend money. Put money back into circulation. Without the unions we'd be buying our bread from the company store and trading one of our chickens for a new tire. Just look at history and then think about the last dollar you spent. Where did that dollar go? If it didn't go overseas it probably went on the bottom line of some corporate statement so they could look better to Wall St.
I've worked union and non-union. With the unions there were rules and you always knew where you stood. With non-union there were no rules except whatever management wanted to do on any given day. I'll take union, thank you.
 
Propwash said:
As far as the unions.....again, met some good ones, met some bad ones. One thing that is positively clear and is not just confined to unions by any means is the fact that 3/4 of all the problems we face is due to greed in one way or another. It's sickening.
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That pretty much nailed it. The truth lies somewhere in between two extremes. And a politician is nothing more than a sales person. They know the truth but instead seem to sell the majority on something that does not end up in our favor.
 
it boils down to this.............PAY THE UNION WORKER AND HE WILL PUT IT BACK INTO THE ECONOMY......NOT SEND BILLIONS TO CHINA...THATS ONLY GOING TO MAKE THEIR COUNTRY STRONGER.....

if it werent for the unions. you non- union people would still be working 120 hours a week....for way less than you make now. the unions built this " great country" as some of you call it...but its not so great anymore......bringing china over to do things we should be doing????? thats just plain BULLS&#T... THIS COUNTRY WAS AT ONE TIME GREAT.... but not now with our so called leaders doing this and permitting it. you are going to see a revolution in the skilled trade work force....I GUARANTEE IT...because as proud as you vets are...WE ARE JUST AS PROUD !

This is a big reason that i dont vote for these MORONIC politicians...because if any of you think that you vote counts...YOURE WRONG ! the unions are the ones who built this country for the most part. think back to the 60's and 70's....when the unions were strong...so was the economy...look at it now....kinda makes sence now...DONT IT?

and out sourcing jobs aint helping matters either in defence of you non-unionites...and you flag wavers really need to see the light. just because you fought for this country does not make it "Disneyland". look at what the government did for so many vietnam vets.....NOTHING !....so theres your loyalty.

all that will come of this is that some politician will line his pockets by making some " swingin' dick deal" with these chinese construction companies. and this "great country" as you put it will be in much worse shape than it is now...and if this **** keeps up ,CHINA WILL BE THE GREATEST COUNTRY ON EARTH....is that what you want? because thats whats going to happen. Adolf Hitler had the right idea..TAKE CARE OF YOUR OWN....he just went about it the wrong way.
 
Say what you want about unions....but at the end of the day it boils down to this. Big business no longer has a sense of community and/or country. Today its the Chinese/Indians...tomorrow some African country with the cheapest labor. There will never be a short supply of countries so depressed they are willing to work for peanuts. And there will never be a short supply of soulless capitalists to exploit them with no sense of duty to ones own country.
 
Auto bailouts in order for them to keep their $40.00 per hour job? Sorry, you got your facts crossed, that's the kind of trash FOX News pumps out. The Auto bailouts ensured they would not have to pay high wages to workers, a starting wage now for building a car anywhere in the US is around $12.00 per hour, and, Unions are a dying breed. The Toyota plant here in San Antonio; unionized there? LMFAO! Seen the prices of that Tundra lately, and the many $13.00 per hour jobs that build it? If it were not for unions we would not have a 40 hr work week, and, our kids would be in factories working.

The video sums up a point that in my opinion IS the point; the US has a severe shortage of welders! With the typical school cutting off Industrial Arts, Gym, Music, to save money, this is undermining our society! I often find it amazing that the people I run into in my small world of cars are just barely welders, not trained at all in the multiple disciplines of welding! And, as I've said it before I am way critical of bad welds, even my own, which the only bad ones are in my past -- diamond plated floors Colonel in your Mercedes Benz? lol!
 
After 40 years in manufacturing I think I have my facts pretty straight. There were no non-union auto manufacturers that went bankrupt and needed handouts. The only adjustments that those companies were allowed to make to lower benefits were on the incoming new hires, not those already there. And it came with the stipulation that so many new jobs had to be added over time. I agree, there was a place for unions, 40-50 years ago . I believe they have outlived their usefullness. They have become too self serving, not really interested in the well being of their membership - just interested in having membership, and the dues that come with it - and most importantly building their political strength at all cost (which concerns me most). I've been in several unions early on in my career and saw first hand how they worked. Their MO was to fight everything that the companies wanted to do just for the sake of fighting,,, and spend their time and my dues money fighting for the 2-3% of the bad apples that should be fired anyway.
Look what's happening in Europe. For decades the unions fought to have 40, then 35 and then 30 hours work weeks. 4 then 6, then 8 weeks of paid vacation. Retirement from 65 to 62 and then 59 years. Never once caring what it did to the companies ability to be competitive and ultimately their countries. Greece is a perfect example. Over 60% or the people are not only in unions but in government unions, they work(ed) for the government. The remaining 25% or so that work are in private unions. They ran their country bankrupt and then go on stike when they have to cut back as a condition for other countires to give them a handout.
Sorry, to light the match like this on a Mopar forum but this is my opinion and I'll let it go after this post. I despise the Chinese and what they are doing in the world as much as anyone but we've allowed it to happen. Too many people in this country want both the cheapest stuff - and the highest standard of living and the two just don't go together anymore.
 
Propwash said:
I do agree this country has a lot of issue's, but I love her never the less. Ever since I raised my right hand and vowed to protect her from all enemies foriegn and domestic, looking at the flag has a whole new meaning, besides just a piece of fabric. I'm sure other vet's here would raise their hands and easily agree. Being in an expeditionary force I traveled the world a lot. Met a lot of good people, met a lot of bad people. One thing I can say for certain....There is no way I would want to live anywhere else but here in the good old US of A. After every deployment I took, there was nothing that matched the feeling of peeking out the window and seeing the shores of my country. Maybe's it's a matter of seeing some of the worst of human kind that makes me appreciate even the little things I have or maybe it's just a strong sense of pride. Either way, i'm not going anywhere. I got my mopars, good health, happy family, a little chunk of land and i'll take the problems as they come.

I guess one of my first commander's sumed it up for me before deploying for the first time. He said "Boys.......God, Country, Mother, Apple Pie"

As far as the unions.....again, met some good ones, met some bad ones. One thing that is positively clear and is not just confined to unions by any means is the fact that 3/4 of all the problems we face is due to greed in one way or another. It's sickening.

I'm not saying you gotta be a vet to have a true heartfelt love and pride for this country. A farmer draging a plow across his fields, a truck driver hauling his load across across a lost old endless highway, a gearhead from fbbo turning a wrench on his first mopar and folks from all other walks of life, i'm sure share in the same love and respect I have for this place.
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Hey Propwash, as vet of 28 years and being medicaly retired from injurys sutained in combat. I want to say "HERE HERE" I myself have shed blood for this beutiful country and I have lost 3 dear friends who gave the ultimate sacrafice and would believe that they would feel the same . I have been around the world and there is no country better than ours, Unions no Unions I don.t care, it is greed that creates 99.9999% percent of our problems and those of you that are unemployed, your hardship is not forgatten by many men and women who raised there right hand to protect us all. While it is true that in the mist of combat we fought for our brothers and sisters to our right and left. We all swore to protect this beutifull country of ours we all did it for a greater reason, for our way of life our freedom to be able to have conversations and express our thoughts and ideas without fear of persicution. So have your debates - conversations - express your feelings shout it at the top of your lungs! It makes me proud to know my brothers and sisters did not die in vain. A great man once said:

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

George Orwell
 
bigmanjbmopar said:
I have to disagree with you.....
... Don't know about you but living in a fracking comi state like that just ain't gunna happen man.

You want to be made at stuff not being made here, then make it mandatory that all contracts include MADE IN THE USA! then these pencil pushing bean counters can't look for the cheapest place to get the product and screw us out of jobs. It all starts wit the American voice.
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Let me see if I understand this....

You want someone else to negotiate for you a guaranteed wage, guaranteed hours, guaranteed benefits, and a guaranteed retirement regardless of the quality or quantity of work you produce and you want legislation to guarantee high cost uncompetitive bidding is mandated?

And a comi state ain't gonnna happen?

And other people are sheep?

That about right?
 
rooster1911 said:
Hey Propwash, as vet of 28 years and being medicaly retired from injurys sutained in combat. I want to say "HERE HERE" I myself have shed blood for this beutiful country and I have lost 3 dear friends who gave the ultimate sacrafice and would believe that they would feel the same ....
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What you and others that have served this country have ensured for the rest of us can not, should not and will not be forgotten.

My deepest gratitue to you and your friends.
 
I'm a USAF vet i have been employed at the same company for the past 15 years i have had my pay,insurance,hours cut the company has ouit making our own parts out sourced to a stamping company [in atlanta least it's here] we are buying products from companys here [but the product is from china]. My opinion of unions are as follows they rescued the american worker of being abused by companys in many ways but as time progressed they too became greedy [i have never been a union worker] they were not working for the worker they were intrested in themselves because of greed. Our country that all of us have fought for and worked to keep afloat is being raped and pillaged by greedy politions and companys who don't care of us only themselves i will not vote again, i did in the last election [voted for what i thought was the lesser of 2 evils] i apollogise for that. Our great country is in the crapper and something has to be done or we are gonna be eating rice and bugs. I'm tired of workin for low hourly wages and the higher ups making in two weeks what i make in a month. I'm gettin too old for this crap. I got 9 more years till retirement [62] hopefully there will be something left for me.
 
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