dist oil pump shaft

[74roadrunner440]

does it make a difrence where the iol pump shaft is possioned ans longe at ur on tdc and u have ur cap in the righ firing order on tdc?

 

[racedodge]

yes.. see pic below

 

[67 B-body]

It doesn't make a difference for running..... You should take notice of anything keeping you from turning the dist far enough in both directions to achieve proper initial timing...

 

[racedodge]

It doesn't make a difference for running..... You should take notice of anything keeping you from turning the dist far enough in both directions to achieve proper initial timing...

sorry man, it does make a difference, see the picture above. The distributor shaft gear "HAS" to be in this position with the engine on the compression stroke, TDC on #1 cylinder. If not, no runnin of da engine.

if not.. you are playing with your timing to try and find it.. its a guessing game.

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make sure you advance your distributor about 10 degrees advanced with your #1 piston at TDC on the compression stroke, ensure your spark plug wires are in the correct order in the "counter clockwise" position(s).

 

[67 B-body]

sorry man, it does make a difference, see the picture above. The distributor shaft gear "HAS" to be in this position with the engine on the compression stroke, TDC on #1 cylinder. If not, no runnin of da engine.

PFFTT,,,, how many have you put together dude??????
IT DOESN'T MATTER!
A circle is 360deg no matter were you start measuring, so put it wherever works best for you.... Just start #1 plug wire and go 8,4,3,6,5,7,2 after counter clockwise and you'll be fine... Like I said, just be sure your vac advance can "if you use one" doesn't hit anything to achieve proper timing... Mine has no vac advance so I put it wherever I want..... Makes NO difference what so ever..

 

[racedodge]

you have to align the distributor drive gear in a specific spot so the distributor shaft will fit in the correct spot so that the rotor bug sets on the #1 cylinder as per the cap.

and to answer your question, I have put together about 12 engines and know enough that I will follow the chassis service manual before I listen to your dribble.... PLEASE tell me the people who wrote the service manual did not know what they were talking about.. I would love to see that.

Reference - "DISTRIBUTOR TIMING - #3" if you have any questions.

 

[Meep-Meep]

I have managed to make these run with the oil pump drive positioned in different locations, but to be consistent I do like to follow the factory rule as seen above.

 

[RustyRatRod]

While I also like to follow the factory service manual quoted and pictured above, it's not critical. As long as all of the wires follow number one in the correct order going the correct direction, you can put number one anywhere on that cap you want. That said, when the oil pump intermediate shaft is positioned as outlined in the service manual and the distributor installed accordingly, you will have ample room to advance and retard the distributor in regards to the vacuum advance canister. Otherwise, it might hit on something trying to time the engine up properly. I think this is what racedodge was trying to refer to and he is actually right as rain. Although you can drop the intermediate shaft in in any position.....technically there is only one correct way.

 

[67 B-body]

RustRatRod: "While I also like to follow the factory service manual quoted and pictured above, it's not critical. As long as all of the wires follow number one in the correct order going the correct direction, you can put number one anywhere on that cap you want".

Meep Meep: "I have managed to make these run with the oil pump drive positioned in different locations"

Exactly guys,,,, and to the point of the OP you two have answered his question with the same answer as I. He asked "does it make a difrence where the iol pump shaft is possioned ans longe at ur on tdc and u have ur cap in the righ firing order on tdc?"
He has obviously thought it through enough to understand this and wanted clarification from one of us as to whether he is correct in his thinking.... The answer is "HE IS CORRECT".
I'm not suggesting to install it in any one way or another,,,it will work no matter how he installs it as long as he follows his own statement.... And also understands that the vac canister isn't tight up against something preventing him from obtaining accurate initial timing adjustments,,, just as Iv'e stated over and over again in this thread...
Racedodge: I'm trying to answer the OP's question to the best of my abilities through form of text.... You too can learn something on this subject and understand that we are all wrong from time to time,,, just look at it and say something like "hmm,,, never thought of it that way,,, guess we all learn every day" That would be acceptable... Not arguing and making claims that if you don't follow this EXACTLY like the manual says "If not, no runnin of da engine"... That statement is NOT true and can be miss-leading to a person just learning..... Furthermore,, you implied that my contributions to helping the OP are wrong...... They are NOT wrong as two others have kindly pointed out in there own experiments on this topic....
To the OP,,,,, You have heard that it works as you've suggested so go forth with this knowledge and install it in whatever fashion you like.... I hope you have found the answers you were looking for!
Happy Moparing!!!!

 

[74roadrunner440]

i have spark i have fuel firing order 18436572 in a clockwise position dist on #1 n rotor and wires to match but still no start been trying for almost 2 days i havent herd of it coing counter clock wise?

 

[Garys1969RR]

I told him to set it as per factory service manual to eliminate confusion. He is having trouble getting his new motor started. I have tried it with the drive gear in other positions too, and it will work. If the plug wires are moved around to the right place too. Just trying to make a potentially confusing situation as simple as possible for him.

 

[Garys1969RR]

Yes the big block dist rotates counter clockwise. And I believe the small block 360 you took out rotates clockwise.

 

[MoparMitch]

While I also like to follow the factory service manual quoted and pictured above, it's not critical. As long as all of the wires follow number one in the correct order going the correct direction, you can put number one anywhere on that cap you want. That said, when the oil pump intermediate shaft is positioned as outlined in the service manual and the distributor installed accordingly, you will have ample room to advance and retard the distributor in regards to the vacuum advance canister. Otherwise, it might hit on something trying to time the engine up properly. I think this is what racedodge was trying to refer to and he is actually right as rain. Although you can drop the intermediate shaft in in any position.....technically there is only one correct way.

X2

 

[Garys1969RR]

Just talked to him, and sure enough he thought the dist rotated clockwise as the 360 does. So he gonna set the firing order up in a counter clockwise direction after work and try that. A simple mistake. I've made a few myself! LOL

 

[MoparMitch]

Good , Hope that all works out.

 

[racedodge]

Racedodge: I'm trying to answer the OP's question to the best of my abilities through form of text.... You too can learn something on this subject and understand that we are all wrong from time to time,,, just look at it and say something like "hmm,,, never thought of it that way,,, guess we all learn every day" That would be acceptable... Not arguing and making claims that if you don't follow this EXACTLY like the manual says "If not, no runnin of da engine"... That statement is NOT true and can be miss-leading to a person just learning

Whereas you telling him the incorrect way brings clarity?

..... Furthermore,, you implied that my contributions to helping the OP are wrong...... They are NOT wrong as two others have kindly pointed out in there own experiments on this topic....

Well I am glad you feel that you have been substantiated, but irregardless.. you telling him the "incorrect" way (even though it will still work, and you have your "right" warm and fuzzy) is still not the "correct" way.

I have no problem with being wrong, but in this instance, where a guy is having a hard time trying to identify why his engine is not running, you telling him what you did adds to the possible variables, instead of taking away variables. Granted, you may be able to grasp onto this concept with little issue is a far cry from this guy considering we do not know his skill level. And for you to assume he knows what you are talking about, and that it actually makes sense to him, is a huge leap of faith.

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There is only one "correct" way for putting in your distributor drive gear, and that is done the way I shown above so as to eliminate confusion in regards to timing issues (something this gentleman was having a great amount of confusion with). You stating that he could put it in anyway (though the engine will still run, if you play with the distributor wires/cap/rotor) would only cause even more confusion for the guy as well as create troubleshooting problems later on if someone else was to work on it (been there, done that).

It is best just to do it the right way the first time so as to eliminate any second-guessing or confusion at a later time. I will concede that your approach will work (I have done it before, a long time ago---learned from it), but it is not the correct way and I would never recommend anyone to do it that way for obvious reasons. It is just way to easy to correct distributor drive gear placement and do it the right way.. not sure why anyone would do it incorrectly. Makes no sense to me.

 

[racedodge]

i have spark i have fuel firing order 18436572 in a clockwise position dist on #1 n rotor and wires to match but still no start been trying for almost 2 days i havent herd of it coing counter clock wise?

good luck on your car mate, do not let the bantering of old mopar "know-it-alls" (that includes me) get in the way of you getting that bird to leave the roost.

:headbang:

 

[67 B-body]

Whereas you telling him the incorrect way brings clarity?



Well I am glad you feel that you have been substantiated, but irregardless.. you telling him the "incorrect" way (even though it will still work, and you have your "right" warm and fuzzy) is still not the "correct" way.

I have no problem with being wrong, but in this instance, where a guy is having a hard time trying to identify why his engine is not running, you telling him what you did adds to the possible variables, instead of taking away variables. Granted, you may be able to grasp onto this concept with little issue is a far cry from this guy considering we do not know his skill level. And for you to assume he knows what you are talking about, and that it actually makes sense to him, is a huge leap of faith.

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There is only one "correct" way for putting in your distributor drive gear, and that is done the way I shown above so as to eliminate confusion in regards to timing issues (something this gentleman was having a great amount of confusion with). You stating that he could put it in anyway (though the engine will still run, if you play with the distributor wires/cap/rotor) would only cause even more confusion for the guy as well as create troubleshooting problems later on if someone else was to work on it (been there, done that).

It is best just to do it the right way the first time so as to eliminate any second-guessing or confusion at a later time. I will concede that your approach will work (I have done it before, a long time ago---learned from it), but it is not the correct way and I would never recommend anyone to do it that way for obvious reasons. It is just way to easy to correct distributor drive gear placement and do it the right way.. not sure why anyone would do it incorrectly. Makes no sense to me.

NO... I am NOT telling him how to do anything!!! READ MAN READ!!!! I was agreeing with his statement, that if you throw it in with #1 TDC on compression, plug wire #1 in front of the rotor, follow the correct firing order in the correct rotation,,, it will work.... Your the one saying something will NOT WORK!!! Re-Read GEES DUDE.......
BTW,, it sounds as if he might have the rotation backwards from the copy / paste you have provided from some other thread....

 

[racedodge]

whatever... semantics.. I am done, until next time.

 

[74roadrunner440]

i have not had time to to even try to start the car being i had to work past dark n to work befor sin up latley is sucks being a farmer n have mopars and just to every one knows i am a mechanic by trade n my skill level is abouve average i just had a brain fart my bad n been a while since i had to work on the distributors and timming of a big block and tolaly spaced it that b n rb engines rotate counter clockwise and i have so many people telling me wish way to but oil pump gear in my brain is fried i just wish i had a big huge shop for all my mopars and enough money to fix them all lol thanks for every one input and help thanks again pat