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help with 60 ft. times

moparmarkk

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hi guys,i need some help.went to the track yesterday for test and tune,long day,with six oil downs.only made three passes-first run .63 reaction,1.94 60 ft,8.25 et.second pass-.14 reation,1.98 60 ft.8.13 et.third pass .31 reation,2.11 60 ft.8.29 et..the car is a 65 plymouth,440,.030,.525 comp cam,3600 stall j.w. converter[new]456 strange spool,strange axels,strange shocks-5 way adj.brand new 30x10 goodyears,turbo action manual reverse valve body with trans brake,last pass left on the brake.timming is set at 34 total.i just was thinking it would be quicker.it put back in the seat like you are flying.going to go back to the track on sunday,feb 13.any help?thanks mark
 
YOUR converter is too tight.
for your combo a minimum of 4400 stall to get you out of the hole.
also try 35-36 degree timing for your combo.
 
hi guys,i need some help.went to the track yesterday for test and tune,long day,with six oil downs.only made three passes-first run .63 reaction,1.94 60 ft,8.25 et.second pass-.14 reation,1.98 60 ft.8.13 et.third pass .31 reation,2.11 60 ft.8.29 et..the car is a 65 plymouth,440,.030,.525 comp cam,3600 stall j.w. converter[new]456 strange spool,strange axels,strange shocks-5 way adj.brand new 30x10 goodyears,turbo action manual reverse valve body with trans brake,last pass left on the brake.timming is set at 34 total.i just was thinking it would be quicker.it put back in the seat like you are flying.going to go back to the track on sunday,feb 13.any help?thanks mark


Mark,
Something is very wrong with your 60'. It should be 1.48-1.50 or quicker, especally on the trans brake. That combo should go 7.00-7.25, sounds like converter is junk. Is it transfering the weight to the rear tires? what is the RPM at the finish line? What are you shifting at? Pull a plug at the end of a run and check the color, should be a nice tan. Fill in some of these blanks and we should be able to help.
 
60 foot

Carb need Jet extensions?
Car transferring weight correctly?
Tire Pressure?
Old slicks?

Just thinking out loud!
Txracer
 
I would also see what your A/F ratio is. You might be real rich off idle.Any black smoke off the hit?
 
hi,some more on the car,slicks are new,have jet extensions,converter is new,tire psi is 10 lbs,shift at 6400 rpm,the car goes straight,has ce ladder bar.car pics the front end up,slams you in the seat.have 2.14 intakes,1.88 exht,850 holley,m-1 intake,msd distributor,wires and coil,hooker super comp,71 k-member with disk brakes.car is not at my house,but willtry and look at the plugs this week,hope this helps some,thanks for the input so far,mark
 
i go to the track with my wife,she stays at the trailer,but i did not see any,things happing so fast after the oil down i did think to look
 
tire pressure should be 12.5-13.0
It's definitely the wrong stall converter. Had the same setup as you years ago. My 60 foots were 1.47-1.48
 
hi,ill change the tire pressure for sunday,and see what happens.looks like i will be converter shopping.if i can get the 60 ft. time down to 1.50 or better it should run low 7's?mark
 
hi,ill change the tire pressure for sunday,and see what happens.looks like i will be converter shopping.if i can get the 60 ft. time down to 1.50 or better it should run low 7's?mark


Mark, call ATI, they are a great company to work with. I'll be calling them also for a new converter also.
 
What brand converter is it?? might be able to send it back and have them rework it, big B Body needs stall with smaller cubes to get in the RPM range.
I know a lot of guys like the M-1 intake but the E-brock Victor makes better power from 3500-7500 and is my choice on builds like yours. Didn't notice what heads you are running and if there was any port work done. Another thing I would change to the Mopar Performance .620/.620 solid cam, It really works well in a 440 motor. Another quick mod you can try now is re-curving the distributor. Try a silver spring in place of one of the black ones, this will get you to total advance much quicker. It is very easy to get 500-520hp out of a 440 with mods like you have which will put a car like yours in themid to low 7's in the 1/8. Best of luck this weekend. poppaj
 
MoparMarkk you might want to try CalTracs (rear traction bars of sort) they have worked well for me in the past, Im proved my 60ft & et's a bunch. Remember the first 300ft is where most of the et can be trimmed off. The rest is Torque & Hp, You can get them from Mancini Racing for $350 or so, well worth the money on a heavey car. Comp.Egineering also make Slider bars I believe they are called, basically the same principal as a 4 link on both. Lighten up the car a little that allways helps. Fiberglass doors, fenders, hood, deck lid, bumpers etc. Good luck. Budnicks
 
Make sure your carb/throttle is opening all the way also.
DON'T ASK ME HOW I KNOW... (LOL)
Keep going up on the rear tire pressure until your 60 foot slow down once you get it where it needs to be.
Small tires with big car and hard initial hit will tend to distort contact patch and ruin 60 ft times also.
Just my 2 cents
 
Al these other suggestions are good ones if you're trying to find a tenth or so, but half a second??? Check with some other racers at the track to see if their 60ft times are normal. If so, ask another racer there to watch you stage and watch the car leave. So much more can be learned from an experienced observer on location.
 
What is the actual compression ratio and cranking cylinder pressure psi? Was the cam degree in and if so, is it 0, or advanced or retarded?
 
Al these other suggestions are good ones if you're trying to find a tenth or so, but half a second??? Check with some other racers at the track to see if their 60ft times are normal. If so, ask another racer there to watch you stage and watch the car leave. So much more can be learned from an experienced observer on location.


He has a point. See what the normal 60ft times are at the track. Also make sure when you are staging to car that you are just putting the tire in the beam. You don't want to go in deep because that will the difference of a 1.50 to a 1.55 60ft.

As SSR and Ange said you want to make sure your tire pressure is right. 10lbs is not enough. It not only will hurt 60ft. it will also kill the sidewalls on the tires and shorten the life of them.


I would say the Converter is probably too tight for a transbrake. If it were me, I would call Turbo Action or ATI and have them build one for your combination. Weight of car W/ Driver, gear ratio, Tire Size, Engine size, Compression, Cam Shaft all have a lot to do with how they build the converter.

Carburetor could possibly be part of the problem. I would say you would have to be way out to luch for it to be your only problem.

Ignition Timing could be part of it but it's not that far out, Cam timing would have an impact.

It almost sounds like it could be a combination of a few things.


If it were me I would check with your fellow racers and see if their 60ft.s match up to their ET's.

Then make sure you stage the car the same place every time. You want the light to just flicker before it comes on. This will give you some consistency.

Start with 12.5lbs in the tires and go up .5lbs each past until it spins. Then back off .5lbs. See if that helps your 60ft.

Bump the timing up a degree until it falls off then back it off. See if that helps.

Try the cheap or free things first then I would go with a new Converter. I'm sure that will help especially with a transbrake.

These are just some ideas and a place to start.

Kevin
 
What is the actual compression ratio and cranking cylinder pressure psi? Was the cam degree in and if so, is it 0, or advanced or retarded?


That was my question but you beat me to it!!

Hard to say unless I'm there but with proper cylinder pressure that thing should have the throttle response of a motorcycle. I'm guessing that cam should have no less than 10.5:1 CR. What heads are you running and how far are the pistons in the hole? Pop ups or flat?

The other thing is you want to leave at your torque peak. If you have a 108 LC cam you will have high peak torque but at a higher RPM and I think that's where you want the converter to flash to. As mentioned, you might also need a more efficient converter with higher stall.
 
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