Hood scoops did they help!?!?
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I have a functional scoop and it feeds fresh air into the air cleaner. So yes, it works.
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I ran both a single 850, and a maxwedge crossram, and made a pan with foam, to seal against a hood with a dart raisin bran scoop. In both cases, the car was faster without the pan/seal. I dont have an explaination, just results on MY car. Yrmv.
I have no numbers for before/after on the scoop install.
I have no numbers for before/after on the scoop install.
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First off your car looks great , and this is not a put down but I am 70 years old and seeing the real hood scoops that came on the factory cars , they had a stud and a spacer in the middle of the scoop to hold it open in the middle . In other words if a straight edge was placed across the top of your scoop at the front edge and the middle was spaced upward till both of the sides were level then that was how the factory scoop came on the cars . it would open it up and allow more air in . I just see so many scoops like this not done this way . P.S. had one of the factory scoops on one of my street cars along time ago , Again your car look great and thanks for the pic .
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I had a similar experience, which effectively ruined a really good hood. Still can't quite wrap my head around it..... I did read in an old Holley trick guide tho, they strongly suggest an air cleaner, not to enhance the cleanliness of the air, but to kill the turbulence that they say will screw with your jetting and carb setup!
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Every chance i get, when someone asks about a hood scoop, i say GO FOR IT! , but please, PLEASE, put it on a glass hood, DON'T cut up a nice steel hood!
I wish someone had given me that advice, way back when.
I wish someone had given me that advice, way back when.
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My cars always ran better with a air filter (This is just me,not saying right or wrong) I have the 65 factory style short scoop from Kramer Automotive. They can be had in several heights.Mine is the shortest at around 2'' and up to 5''.
Now.. According to the book "We were the Ramchargers" Tom hoover stated that the Max Wedge and 65 Hemi scoop did nothing for air flow. Their findings were at best it helped with cooling the engine compartment.Take it as you will.Now me, I ran the old pro stock Mopar scoop from the early 70's sealed to the hood on my 63 Belvedere.The car picked up a tenth and a bit more.Worked for me.But that was 42 years ago.
Now.. According to the book "We were the Ramchargers" Tom hoover stated that the Max Wedge and 65 Hemi scoop did nothing for air flow. Their findings were at best it helped with cooling the engine compartment.Take it as you will.Now me, I ran the old pro stock Mopar scoop from the early 70's sealed to the hood on my 63 Belvedere.The car picked up a tenth and a bit more.Worked for me.But that was 42 years ago.
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I never tested my car with the scoop s compared to not having the scoop on it. I love it because I love the look of the factory Max Wedge scoop. I don't care for the taller Max Wedge scoops I see today. So honestly I like using the factory type Max Wedge scoop because I love the look and don't care if it helps much or not. I know the factory Max Wedge and 64 , 65 and 67 Hemi scoops are not very tall to get a lot of air in but I love the looks of them. Ron
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The air grabber on my parents new (special order) 383 1971 Road Runner would keep the air cleaner lid cool, but at Fremont Raceway the elapsed times were the same with it open or closed.
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Man I like that car!
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On my 64 with an iron headed single 4bbl 440 car ran 11 teens to a best of 11.08. Put a max wedge factory style scoop with a pan seal to hood nothing else went 10.96
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First off my non-N96 70 V-code Roadrunner now has an AMD N96 hood, and there was nothing wrong with the stock non-N96 hood I had, I wanted the N96 hood THAT BADLY as to spend the money for the hood, paint, and I'm working on completing the rest of the parts to have a functional fresh air setup.
IF it didn't make a difference, I would still have done this because DAMN and BOOYAH the Air Grabber/Ramcharger vacuum operated air scoop as far as I'm concerned is THE MOST AWESOME looking fresh air system of the ENTIRE muscle car era, with the shaker scoop a very close 2nd place. With the flip of 2 switches, my psychological warfare against an opponent unleashes the Doug's electronic cutouts AND will raise the P-51 Tiger looking Air Grabber hood scoop (which is mechanically held open for now)....
That's badass!!
The scoops and cars shown in this thread are
BEAUTIFUL!
Now, as far as function goes regarding performance improvements, I am in the deep South, and I know how much faster cars have run when we get our 8 weeks of cool, dry air out of the year, so I am absolutely sure that fresh air beats hot underhood air!
WITNESS BADASSERY!!
IF it didn't make a difference, I would still have done this because DAMN and BOOYAH the Air Grabber/Ramcharger vacuum operated air scoop as far as I'm concerned is THE MOST AWESOME looking fresh air system of the ENTIRE muscle car era, with the shaker scoop a very close 2nd place. With the flip of 2 switches, my psychological warfare against an opponent unleashes the Doug's electronic cutouts AND will raise the P-51 Tiger looking Air Grabber hood scoop (which is mechanically held open for now)....
That's badass!!
The scoops and cars shown in this thread are
BEAUTIFUL!Now, as far as function goes regarding performance improvements, I am in the deep South, and I know how much faster cars have run when we get our 8 weeks of cool, dry air out of the year, so I am absolutely sure that fresh air beats hot underhood air!
WITNESS BADASSERY!!
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I would very much like to see some dyno testing: refrigerated air vs. heated air.
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You just have to experiment with your combination. Some combos don't like to be force fed and some do....and some scoops work and some don't.....
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First off my non-N96 70 V-code Roadrunner now has an AMD N96 hood, and there was nothing wrong with the stock non-N96 hood I had, I wanted the N96 hood THAT BADLY as to spend the money for the hood, paint, and I'm working on completing the rest of the parts to have a functional fresh air setup.
IF it didn't make a difference, I would still have done this because DAMN and BOOYAH the Air Grabber/Ramcharger vacuum operated air scoop as far as I'm concerned is THE MOST AWESOME looking fresh air system of the ENTIRE muscle car era, with the shaker scoop a very close 2nd place. With the flip of 2 switches, my psychological warfare against an opponent unleashes the Doug's electronic cutouts AND will raise the P-51 Tiger looking Air Grabber hood scoop (which is mechanically held open for now)....
That's badass!!
The scoops and cars shown in this thread are
Now, as far as function goes regarding performance improvements, I am in the deep South, and I know how much faster cars have run when we get our 8 weeks of cool, dry air out of the year, so I am absolutely sure that fresh air beats hot underhood air!
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WITNESS BADASSERY!!
I love the 70 Roadrunners and the air grabber scoop. But they say the teeth are from that plane you posted but that's a P-40 and not a P-51. But both are cool planes from WWII !Ron
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I doubt there is much ram effect that low to the hood. Like the 6 pack hood I have in my avatar. It is better to have a colder air charge than to pull in underhood heat. Plus I love the factory scoop look.
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the horn or entry to the carb/s is just as important
or more important to flow, going into the carb
just a flat pan isn't the ideal situation for the best results
air cleaner or not, jetted or not,
of course being properly jetted for WOT is far better
it's trial & error usually, T&T time to get it correct
a rounded surface or like a mini velocity stack
'melded/formed' into the scoop pan/tray, transition to the carb top
aides in far better flow
done properly, a scoop & sealed off entry to the carb/s
results in a few mph's & some added hp's too
ram air effects, fresher, cooler, denser air, is always better
faster more mph you go, the more fresh cool dense air is added
the more you need to compensate for the turbulence
& ram air flow entry added cfm,
it's not a huge #'s, but it's noticeable #'s
well worth doing, has a cooling effect too
lots of real world race track "professional racers & tests",
have proved it, over & over again
if you don't get any gain,
more than likely the scoop isn't working right
or isn't tall enough or the entry to the carbs is too abrupt etc.
to get into the fresher denser cooler air "properly"
that aides performance gains
it's not just cutting a hole & adding a scoop & sealing it to the hood
do your due diligence, research
good luck
or more important to flow, going into the carb
just a flat pan isn't the ideal situation for the best results
air cleaner or not, jetted or not,
of course being properly jetted for WOT is far better
it's trial & error usually, T&T time to get it correct
a rounded surface or like a mini velocity stack
'melded/formed' into the scoop pan/tray, transition to the carb top
aides in far better flow
done properly, a scoop & sealed off entry to the carb/s
results in a few mph's & some added hp's too
ram air effects, fresher, cooler, denser air, is always better
faster more mph you go, the more fresh cool dense air is added
the more you need to compensate for the turbulence
& ram air flow entry added cfm,
it's not a huge #'s, but it's noticeable #'s
well worth doing, has a cooling effect too
lots of real world race track "professional racers & tests",
have proved it, over & over again
if you don't get any gain,
more than likely the scoop isn't working right
or isn't tall enough or the entry to the carbs is too abrupt etc.
to get into the fresher denser cooler air "properly"
that aides performance gains
it's not just cutting a hole & adding a scoop & sealing it to the hood
do your due diligence, research
good luck
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