How hard to mate a 64 Dodge front end 2 64 Plymouth? PICS

[RUMBLON]

Ok, its more of a joke than anything but I have a nice 64 Dodge 330 4 door. I also have found a cheapo $500 64 Belvie that has a beat up front clip. Its a 3 dr 318 car. I was wondering if I could build something from the two for my 500 stroker motor.

Any way, any one ever tried mating the front clip of a Dodge up to a plymouth. I may have to look around for a plymouth front clip.

RUMBLON

 

[SUPERSTOCKRACER]

please don't do it.
plymouth and dodges are like oil and water they dont mix well.

 

[RUMBLON]

please don't do it.
plymouth and dodges are like oil and water they dont mix well.

I wont, just thought I would throw it out there. What I need to to find a 64 Polara 3 door int he condition of this Belvie. Thats why I bought the 4 door, just in case. But no luck yet.

RUMBLON

 

[Jim 68cuda]

please don't do it.
plymouth and dodges are like oil and water they dont mix well.

Well, not quite. Many export models in the 50's featured Plymouth bodies with Dodge front sheet metal and trim. The practice continued into the 60's with the 63 & 64 Canadian Valiant (but reversed). The Canadian Valiant featured a Dart body from the cowl back, and Valiant sheet metal and trim up front.
As for the 64 Plymouth and Dodge, the sheet metal on the doors and the cowl are the same, so the body lines will match up. But, the Plymouth has a shorter wheelbase than the Dodge, by about 3". Whether parts will be easy to swap or not will be dependent on whether the additional wheelbase length of the Dodge is in front of, or behind the cowl.
Since the Plymouth station wagon and the Dodge station wagon both rode on a 116" wheelbase, my guess is that the Dodge hardtops and sedans with their wheelbases longer than the Plymouth hardtops and sedans had the extra length added in the passenger compartment. If I'm right the parts swap should be easy.

 

[Dodge 330]

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[FatJack]

Bolt it up, never know till you try.:idea1::idea1:

 

[5.7 hemi]

Hell ya, cant hurt anything by trying.

 

[Redpolara]

At least he didn't ask about engine mount adapters for a Windsor.:icon_axe:

 

[Polara Pat]

I say give it a shot since the price is right. I mated '63 Plymouth doors to our '64 Dodge wagon project with great results. We did need to change the angle on the window frame but I was amazed at how well the body lines mated up.

Oil and water hey SSRacer. I say more like oil and vinegar to make a perfect emulsion.

 

[RUMBLON]

Well, not quite. Many export models in the 50's featured Plymouth bodies with Dodge front sheet metal and trim. The practice continued into the 60's with the 63 & 64 Canadian Valiant (but reversed). The Canadian Valiant featured a Dart body from the cowl back, and Valiant sheet metal and trim up front.
As for the 64 Plymouth and Dodge, the sheet metal on the doors and the cowl are the same, so the body lines will match up. But, the Plymouth has a shorter wheelbase than the Dodge, by about 3". Whether parts will be easy to swap or not will be dependent on whether the additional wheelbase length of the Dodge is in front of, or behind the cowl.
Since the Plymouth station wagon and the Dodge station wagon both rode on a 116" wheelbase, my guess is that the Dodge hardtops and sedans with their wheelbases longer than the Plymouth hardtops and sedans had the extra length added in the passenger compartment. If I'm right the parts swap should be easy.

Jim, if the body lines, door and cowl will match then the rest SHOULD be the easy part. By the looks of the replies, its either LOVE OR HATE situation. In any case, it would cost me $500 to find out plus hauling the car back. Maybe I should get a closer look at the 64 Belvie first. Do you think thats a decent price for that rig and that I could resale it for $500 if I dont build it? I really prefer the 63s, which is why I bought the 63 vert polara. But since I am doing that car back to original, I need a body for this monster motor I have that seriously needs a home.

RUMBLON

 

[moparsteve636]

Which one are you trying to fix up? Get the correct parts, and part out the other.Don't build an abortion!!

 

[RUMBLON]

Which one are you tring to save ? Why not just get the correct sheet metal for the Belvd.Part the one you don't need! For gods' sake don't put the dodge on the Ply!!!!!

COME ON, CANT BE THAT BAD!!! Looks like I would have the masses after me!!!

 

[Polara Pat]

I love controversy in the ranks. Since I already threw my hat in the ring I may as well make the next suggestion which would be to use the Plymouth doors and B-pillars to make a 2dr Dodge.

Go ahead, say something mean and spiteful, I can take it.

 

[RUMBLON]

I love controversy in the ranks. Since I already threw my hat in the ring I may as well make the next suggestion which would be to use the Plymouth doors and B-pillars to make a 2dr Dodge.

Go ahead, say something mean and spiteful, I can take it.

Pat, Thought about that, but MANNNNNN thats a lot of work!


RUMBLON

 

[bluefury]

I like it......

Hell ya, cant hurt anything by trying.


I'd say give it a shot. An intact 64 Belvedere should be worth $500.00 all day long, so.... nothing to lose.

I grew up in Detroit and remember seeing Canadian versions of dodge and Plymouth hi-breds from the mid 50's into the mid 60's. Dodges with Plymouth front clips and Plymouths with Dodge clips. I think I even remember a DeSoto with a Dodge front end....(Or was it a Dodge with a DeSoto front end....????):confused:

It shouldn't take much to hang a Dodge fender on that Plymouth and see what happens.....

Ya gotta keep us in the loop though....

 

[yellowdartdave]

Is that an old cop car in the 2nd picture???

 

[bluefury]

NO...... They were built and sold like that in Canada.....

 

[Cranky]

I say build what you want if it makes you happy......

 

[65DODGE]

i like both the 64 plymouth and the 64 dodge but mixed together nah i would part the 64 dodge out and take the funds from that and buy the correct front clip pieces i needed and build the plymouth and it would be easier to sell down the road if you decided to get rid of it with the correct nose on it versus the dodge nose on it just my 2 cents.

 

[Polara Pat]

i like both the 64 plymouth and the 64 dodge but mixed together nah i would part the 64 dodge out and take the funds from that and buy the correct front clip pieces i needed and build the plymouth and it would be easier to sell down the road if you decided to get rid of it with the correct nose on it versus the dodge nose on it just my 2 cents.

I have to agree with you that the fender mish-mash is pretty weird but the doors are the same so no one would be the wiser unless your building some #s matching Hemi car.

Besides, build what you want within your comfort level. Doing the two door conversion on our wagon was one of the easiest parts of the build. Remember that almost everything is connected with spot welds so it can all deconstructed with a drill or spot weld bit. Try to think outside the box.