My Fender tag on 69 GTX

[ultramag870]

I kinda understand what codes are where but what do codes mean..lol

 

[696pack]

That is the first time I have seen C21 coded on a tag and that IS an original tag. C21 is the code for the center arm rest (buddy seat) used with the bucket seats.

It was originally a beige exterior with saddle tan interior, column auto trans, am radio, drip rail moulding, body side mouldings, dark tan upper door frame color with a white side stripe.

 

[ultramag870]

I can post a pic of interior but it now has floor shift with console and bucket seats..and black interior im gonna do some more trying to find numbers.. what does that buddy seat look like and is that a rare option

 

[WyoGTX]

Here is the buddy seat in my 1969 GTX. See my post titled ('69 GTX Fender Tag Questions) that also asks a question on the buddy seat.

 

[ultramag870]

thanks guess mine supposed to have that gotta find one of them..i like your car. also

 

[696pack]

thanks guess mine supposed to have that gotta find one of them..i like your car. also

Make sure when you buy one that it comes with the floor mounting brackets because no one makes them repo that I know of.

 

[WyoGTX]

Thanks and hope you can track down a buddy seat!

 

[696pack]

You guys that own a car need to make a little investment in the Galen Govier white books that are appropriate for the year of your car if you are interested in decoding and learning about your cars. They are not that expensive.

It take a fair amount of time for other members to decode your cars. From now on I am not going to do complete decodes for you guys. If you make a little investment in your cars with the books and you get stumped on something I will be happy to help you out but you need to show a little work on your end first. If you can get some of the other members here to do all your work for you that is their business and good for them but not me anymore.

That being said here is the rest of yours and the last one for me.

Fender tags are read and decoded left to right from the bottom line up.
1st line
E86 is the engine code for the H.P. 440-4
D32 is the auto trans code
The rest on this line is your V.I.N. and can be decoded seperately per model, engine code, model year, assembly plant code, and the 6 digit V.I.N. sequence.

2nd line
L1 and L1 are the exterior body color coding the top and bottom colors. If it was a two tone paint scheme the color codes will be different.
P6T is the interior code for Premium grade seating, bucket seats, in saddle tan color
T7 is the upper door frame color I already decoded
625 is your scheduled production date=June 25th 1969
The rest is you vehicle order number that was on the original order for the car.

 

[dave5237]

696pack is right. I have a set of books and if you plan on keeping your car they are worth it. They have a lot of information.

 

[Mopars & Missiles]

You guys that own a car need to make a little investment in the Galen Govier white books that are appropriate for the year of your car if you are interested in decoding and learning about your car.

......but you need to show a little work on your end first.

Amen to that 696pack. :headbang: Also tell 'em to get a Factory Service Manual and learn how to read it.

I don't know how many posts I see on here that I just go right on by because it is somebody just looking for a quick answer to their problem without having done any homework of their own first. Too many just want the work done for them by others.

I agree, if someone has made an honest attempt and is stumped, I'm more than happy to try to help if it's something I am knowledgeable about.

 

[ultramag870]

Thank you for all your help I think I will invest in the books..

 

[Mopars & Missiles]

1st line:
E86- 440 8 cyl. 1-4bbl HP 375hp RB engine
D32- A727 3-speed auto/transmission
R- Plymouth B-body
S- special (price class) = GTX
23- 2-door hardtop
L- 440 1-4bbl HP 8 cyl. RB engine
9- model year (1969)
G- assembly plant (St. Louis, MO.)
297432- assembly sequence number

2nd line:
L1- body paint code (Sandpebble Beige)
L1- same as above (differ if a 2-tone paint scheme)
P6T- interior trim code (P=premium, 6=bucket,vinyl, T=saddle tan)
T7- upper door frame paint code (Dk Tan)
625- scheduled production date (June 25th, 1969)
244517- vehicle order number

3rd line:
C21- center front cushion/armrest (Buddy seat)
C55- bucket seats
M21- drip rail mouldings
M33- body side mouldings
R11- radio- am music master
V6W- sport stripes, longitudinal tape, WHITE

4th line:
END- end of codes

As for your axle ratio, this info is not coded on fender tags for the '69 model year. Check your rear differential cover/center section for a small metal tag attached on ONE of the studs. If the tag is still there, it will have a number stamped on it (like 3.23) which is your rear axle ratio. If there is a dab of ORANGE paint on the center section, you have a Sure Grip as well.

You most likely have a Chrysler 8 3/4" rear with a '489 center section with 3.23/1 ratio gears. Sure Grip was an option and would be on the build sheet, but wouldn't be surprised if your car has it. (Auburn cone type)

 

[696pack]

1st line:
E86- 440 8 cyl. 1-4bbl HP 375hp RB engine
D32- A727 3-speed auto/transmission
R- Plymouth B-body
S- special (price class) = GTX
23- 2-door hardtop
L- 440 1-4bbl HP 8 cyl. RB engine
9- model year (1969)
G- assembly plant (St. Louis, MO.)
297432- assembly sequence number

2nd line:
L1- body paint code (Sandpebble Beige)
L1- same as above (differ if a 2-tone paint scheme)
P6T- interior trim code (P=premium, 6=bucket,vinyl, T=saddle tan)
T7- upper door frame paint code (Dk Tan)
625- scheduled production date (June 25th, 1969)
244517- vehicle order number

3rd line:
C21- center front cushion/armrest (Buddy seat)
C55- bucket seats
M21- drip rail mouldings
M33- body side mouldings
R11- radio- am music master
V6W- sport stripes, longitudinal tape, WHITE

4th line:
END- end of codes

As for your axle ratio, this info is not coded on fender tags for the '69 model year. Check your rear differential cover/center section for a small metal tag attached on ONE of the studs. If the tag is still there, it will have a number stamped on it (like 3.23) which is your rear axle ratio. If there is a dab of ORANGE paint on the center section, you have a Sure Grip as well.

You most likely have a Chrysler 8 3/4" rear with a '489 center section with 3.23/1 ratio gears. Sure Grip was an option and would be on the build sheet, but wouldn't be surprised if your car has it. (Auburn cone type)

Beginning in 1969 these cars were available with different axle packages which was the only way you could order anything other than the standard axle. Those codes are A codes and the package spells out what was included, including the axle ratio. The subject car here does not have an axle package so it has the standard open rear end with a 3.23 ratio.

 

[Mopars & Missiles]

Beginning in 1969 these cars were available with different axle packages which was the only way you could order anything other than the standard axle. Those codes are A codes and the package spells out what was included, including the axle ratio. The subject car here does not have an axle package so it has the standard open rear end with a 3.23 ratio.

You are correct about the "axle packages", but in the Mopar world, every time we try to say it had to be "this way" or "that way" a car comes along that proves us wrong. I guess what I'm saying is "never say never" when it comes to something about Mopars. I don't believe the "package" was the only way you could order a gear ratio or the Sure Grip. The "packages" contain more than just a gear ratio and the Sure Grip.

For instance the A36 axle package I reference later on one of my cars, includes 3.55 gear, Sure Grip, Maximum cooling, 7 blade torque drive fan, and HEMI suspension.

Suppose I didn't want all that extra equipment, all I wanted was a 3.55 and Sure Grip. Then I would order D56 and D91 and I would have what I wanted.

So, you could order an Axle package, or you could order individual items such as above. The individual items would not always be on the fender tag, at least as far as I've been able to tell.


For instance:

I have a '69 Coronet that was ordered with an Axle Package (A36) and it IS on the fender tag, but NOT on the window sticker.

I have another '69 Coronet that came with the "standard 3.23 rear gear WITH a Sure Grip. No codes to indicate this on the fender tag. (Before you say it, I've personally owned this car forever.)


So, back to the original posters GTX. We both agree it is probably a standard ratio (3.23) rear. But my point was, it being a GTX (performance car), the original owner may very well have checked the box for D91 Sure Grip as well, and it wouldn't be on the fender tag.

Either way, good discussion, this is how we all learn something new about our favorite cars! :argue:

 

[696pack]

Depending on what trans it has will determine the standard rear ratio.

A 1967-1971 GTX with a 4 speed will have a Dana rear end with a 3.54 and sure grip because ALL Danas had sure grip no exception. Depending on the year of the car the sure grip on a Dana came as standard OR as a manditory option.

Yes, sure grip could be ordered as a stand alone option for a car with an 8.75 rear end with a 3.23 but the only way to get a 3.55 on a 1969 was in an axle package. In 1967-68 there were only two rear axle packages available on a GTX, 3.54 (Dana) 3.23 (8.75.)

I am betting your "69 Coronet that came with the "standard 3.23 rear gear WITH a Sure Grip. No codes to indicate this on the fender tag" is a Lynch Rd. built car. LR cars have very limited codes on the fender tag and sure grip would not be coded on it.

Regarding your "I have a '69 Coronet that was ordered with an Axle Package (A36) and it IS on the fender tag, but NOT on the window sticker." are you certain the window sticker is an original? If it is then that is a mystery and I am guessing it is NOT a LR built car.

 

[MarPar]

come on guys...

now i see what he's talkin' bout...

http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/showthread.php?t=28859

ultramag is asking a legit question, and y'all jump all over him. :tied up:

so he posts the same ? in two posts...give a noob a break, will ya? :sign4:

then it becomes a ottytrain3:fftopic::night::sleepy2:

{rant off}

 

[696pack]

now i see what he's talkin' bout...

http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/showthread.php?t=28859

ultramag is asking a legit question, and y'all jump all over him. :tied up:

so he posts the same ? in two posts...give a noob a break, will ya? :sign4:

then it becomes a ottytrain3:fftopic::night::sleepy2:

{rant off}

OK, I saw the thread you posted the link to and I suspected that it may have been directed at MY comment about the the double post. I did not respond because it really seemed like a non issue to me. Now that you have brought it up more directly I will address it.

The comment about the double post was not done in any kind of derrogatory manner and I was simply posting what is proper posting etiquette AND likely a site rule. This is EXACTLY how noobs learn what is correct otherwise they continue to do it out of ignorance. I was just helping the guy out. BTW, I did not hear HIM complaining about it and believe he took everything I stated as the way I meant it, to help him and help him help himself.

If you look at my posts over the time I have been a member here you will find that I have always been helpful to others.