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Nitrous plumbed into 6 bbl intake

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I have been thinking about how to increase power and keep my aluminum 6 bbl intake. This will likely not go on my current motor. Keeping the 6 bbl is a must. I know about the (rare) plate system for the 6 bbl, but I want to know if any of you have/have seen a 6 bbl intake plumbed at each individual runner with a nitrous/fuel Y system? I think it would be great if it could be done under the intake to conceal it, but even on the outside of the runners it may be somewhat concealed by the six bbl air cleaner.
Thanks in advance.
 
I think you could pretty easily build your own plate system. It's just two 2bbl. plates tied together (center car not nitrous) with "cheater" solenoids.. You can put a fogger system on just about any intake ("Y" system). You "might" be able to plumb a fogger system underneath the intake if you built your own valley pan. With the stock valley pan, I don't think there's enough room to get the nozzles pointed straight down the intake ports.
 
I would be concerned with the distribution if this is going on a stroker.
 
Direct port is the correct terminology for what I had in mind. Given that the Jets in the nozzles will have to be changed to tune the system, having them tapped on the outside rather than under/inside (IF they would even fit) seems like the better solution. On the other hand, I would only be looking for around 100-150 HP gain, maybe the 6 bbl spray bar kit would make more sense?
How is a "fogger" different from spray bar(s) and "direct port"? Remember keeping the 6 bbl intake is a must. Thanks again guys!
 
I found this pic when poking around. It is a 6 bbl Mopar small block intake I believe? This kind of hidden system if it worked properly would be great.
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I am going to see if this guy still has this system available. He had it for sale some time ago. He and I have talked before. I'll follow up here.
Purple Beeper, I know you have used it, we "PM'd" about it:
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On a carbureted engine "fogger" = "direct port". There's actually 2 ways to "direct port". A "Fogger" system (NOS brand) uses the "Y" where fuel/nitrous are mixed inside the injector tip. The "old school" "direct port" had two separate nozzles (one for fuel & one for nitrous) installed into each intake port. That's what is shown in the hidden (under manifold) 340 6bbl. setup. I thought about this and you can't really hide that type of system on a 440 6bbl. because you can actually see under the intake. A disadvantage of those is that those lines get splashed with hot oil which might boil some fuel in the lines & make you run lean.

On newer port injected fuel injected motors, NOS has a system called a "Noszzle" or something like that. For that one, you pull out your fuel injectors, insert the "noszzles" and then plug your injectors back into those "noszzles".... basically a "fuel injector spacer" that feeds in the nitrous (& fuel?) right below the fuel injectors.

The NOS 6bbl. cheater plate system in the other picture comes with 150, 200 & 250 hp jets. You could tune it down to 100 if you wanted. I personally think that's the way you should go. You can definitely build your own. Even though the NOS 6bbl. system is obsolete, you can still buy the identical 2 bbl. plates. All you'd need is two of those plates (front/rear), two "cheater" sized solenoids and a whole bunch of tubing & fittings.

On a related note, there's a clearance problem with the standard NOS fittings between the center/rear carburetor, so those plates won't bolt up "as is" to the center carb. I'm sure you could figure out how to get around that issue. I've often thought about adding another nitrous plate (instead of just a carb spacer) to the center carburetor to give a second stage of nitrous & still maintain the hood-to-air cleaner clearance needed for an air grabber.

Speaking of which.....I had to notch the bottom of my air grabber scoop, passenger side (not very visible) so the air grabber lid would close using the NOS setup. I think the plates/spacers are just 1" or 3/4" thick, but it's REALLY tight in there. Obviously, this is not an issue with a power bulge hood.
 
I had a small fogger (direct port if you want to seem smarter than the next guy) on my small block ford during one of its reincarnations. Ultimately went the fastest with a single turbo on it.

The fogger was nitrous express piranha kit with the smallest jets.

Motor made 356 at the wheels on motor through a powerglide and made 606 at the wheels with the piranha kit.

Jets were supposed to be "200" hp jets.

I used vp c14+ racing fuel. Non projected ngk plugs.

Car went 10.30 ish at 128-130
 
Unfortunately the ONE system in the picture was sold, I should have bought it when I had the chance. :( Good to know I can piece one together, I'd probably ask whatever company I buy from for help. Thanks also for being specific with proper terminology, it helps my newbie research.
No, it would not be a "stock block". This would be for my future stroker motor that I want Jim LaRoy to build for me, and I already have a girdle kit planned out unless Jim objects to the one that I have selected.
Thanks for all of the replies!
 
Just putting a girdle on a block doesn't make it an aftermarket block.

If your ultimate power goal is 650 ish on motor like I seen in your previous post and then you are going to run nitrous, if you ever put any tire on the car that hooks, you will be dangerously close to the power limits of the stock 440 block. Just something to be aware of.
 
Just putting a girdle on a block doesn't make it an aftermarket block.
If your ultimate power goal is 650 ish on motor like I seen in your previous post and then you are going to run nitrous, if you ever put any tire on the car that hooks, you will be dangerously close to the power limits of the stock 440 block. Just something to be aware of.
Thanks. I appreciate it. I have thought about an aftermarket block like "the Block" from Muscle Motors, or....???
I would appreciate ALL recommendations!
 
Thanks. I appreciate it. I have thought about an aftermarket block like "the Block" from Muscle Motors, or....???
I would appreciate ALL recommendations!
The Muscle Motors "BLOCK" sure seems to be a great piece, at least in the write up on the Mopar Magazine website..I guess there needs to be some real world experience of it being used on everyday drag race motors to be really "proven"...on paper it really looks good..
 
The Muscle Motors "BLOCK" sure seems to be a great piece, at least in the write up on the Mopar Magazine website..I guess there needs to be some real world experience of it being used on everyday drag race motors to be really "proven"...on paper it really looks good..
Thanks Mike. I read about it and called them. Since the current 71 forged crank 440 that currently resides in my 70 V code Roadrunner runs strong for a stock short block, my plan is to "fog" the motor and wrap it up in plastic, maybe manually spin the rotating assembly every few months, and keep it intact except for the aluminum 6 bbl intake and carbs, which will be sent to Jim LaRoy to top my future stroker. As was mentioned, my goal is a 91-93 octane pump gas 6XX HP and 6XX Torque motor that I can cruise up and down the Mississippi Gulf Coast one full week every year, drive to local car shows, trailer when it's not local, and rip up the 1/4 mile occasionally. I may find that managing THAT level of power to be more of a challenge than I am up to, but I am doing as much homework as possible before the build, and being that keeping the 6 bbl is a MUST, (it is a V code after all) nitrous is the only/best power adder that I can think of (for an extra 150 HP) and it only affects the motor when I use it vs other options.
Any other blocks recommended for MY stated application??
Thanks!
 
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