Passon performance 5 speed

[smyythe68]

Has anyone had any dealings with the new 5 speed. The website no longer says coming soon and the new mopar monthly says it one of the 9,3/4 things you need for your mopar. No price listed but that doesn't mean someone on here hasn't seen or heard anything.

 

[sawdoff]

Funny i was going to ask that very question. I like the idea it is a bolt in replacement for the 833. Not buying a new bellhousing, driveshaft etc should make it much cheaper than a tko. So how bout it anybody got the info?

 

[sawdoff]

OK i just found 11 pages on this (Moparts). He is still testing. He had problems in his test car. There is also suposed to be a thread on abodies. I didnt read it all but 4300 seems to be the price. If i find out otherwise i'll post.

 

[696pack]

He has this one already in production and would be the one of my choice.

With a 4.10 rear end in 4th gear it drops your RPMs down to nearly the same as a 3.23.

You can buy the gear set to install in your existing trans case and only have to change your clutch disc because you now have an 18 spline Hemi output rather than the 23 spline.

Driving down the road you or anyone else will realize it is in there until you hit 4th and the RPMs drop. The first 3 gears are nearly the same spread as a torque flite so you run the quarter in 3 gears rather than 4.

http://www.passonperformance.com/images/stories/passon_documents/Passon_Overdrive_Flyer_20091109.pdf

 

[Tunis]

He has this one already in production and would be the one of my choice.

With a 4.10 rear end in 4th gear it drops your RPMs down to nearly the same as a 3.23.

You can buy the gear set to install in your existing trans case and only have to change your clutch disc because you now have an 18 spline Hemi output rather than the 23 spline.

Driving down the road you or anyone else will realize it is in there until you hit 4th and the RPMs drop. The first 3 gears are nearly the same spread as a torque flite so you run the quarter in 3 gears rather than 4.

http://www.passonperformance.com/images/stories/passon_documents/Passon_Overdrive_Flyer_20091109.pdf

That is NOT the same transmission. The Passon 5-speed is a completely new transmission. What you are referring to is his OD transmission which is basically the same 833 with a different gearing. The 5-speed is not yet in production.

 

[696pack]

I didn't say it was a 5 speed.

I linked to the specification sheet for his 4 speed overdrive and if you would have read it you would see that as well as my commentary about the gear spread in the first 3 gears.

I don't understand the obcession with a 5 speed when you can have a 4 speed overdrive that looks and fits the same as the standard 4 speed. This is not Germany, we don't have an Autobaun where the benefit of a 5 speed for top end could be used.

 

[rumblefish360]

I didn't say it was a 5 speed.

I linked to the specification sheet for his 4 speed overdrive and if you would have read it you would see that as well as my commentary about the gear spread in the first 3 gears.

I don't understand the obcession with a 5 speed when you can have a 4 speed overdrive that looks and fits the same as the standard 4 speed. This is not Germany, we don't have an Autobaun where the benefit of a 5 speed for top end could be used.

The 4spd trans is an excellent idea and worthy to put into a car over a 4spd or the 833 OD trans.

First, the OD 833 trans has the OD gear on the 3rd gear spot within the trans making it weak for any performance car/engine.

2nd! Even though we do not have an autobahn, I say, SO WHAT!

If someone decides to break the law, that is there biz to go fast. It is an easy to do out west and some Hwy. run's here on the eastern seaboard.

IMO, the Bennie of a 4 or 5spd over driven trans is a no brainer for a few reasons besides bragging rights and a WOW! factor.

Having an overdrive designed better than the band-aid fix Chrysler unit making it stronger and perhaps quieter is a plus.

When it comes to gear ratio's, just multiply the ring and pinion ratio by the OD ratio of the trans to get the new final drive ratio. Everyone should just bring up the calc. from the computer and screw around with this for a few seconds and see what they can do.

(.80 is the number.)

4.10's into 3.23's? How about 2 more?

3.54 down to 2.83! Great for Hwy driving and driving far!

Lets go crazy the other way!

5.13 X .80 = 4.10

5.13's to get that lazy (Or tired) smog 318/400 moving and still have a decent ratio to cruise the Blvd. and back home.

 

[smyythe68]

Gonna have to agree with Rumble fish. It's nice to have all the benifits of the original 4 speed ratios and have the luxury of shiting into 5th as you cruising down the freeway to a show an hour away.

 

[696pack]

I think you guys mis-understood what I was saying:

"I don't understand the obcession with a 5 speed when you can have a 4 speed overdrive that looks and fits the same as the standard 4 speed."

Did you guys look at the link I posted and the gear spread/final drive comparisions?

Do you understand that his 4 speed overdrive IS in production and the 5 speed is not?

I am saying that the 5 speed is not that big of a difference (to me) in benefits over his 4 speed OD. The 5th gear is .70 vs. .80 with his 4 speed.

What is wrong with the first three gears the same as the tried and proven Torque Flite that shifts faster than 99% of you can shift a 4 speed? I am betting the most of you can't feel the difference between the gear spreads also.

BOTH the 4 speed OD and the 5 speed OD are in similar cases that require no floor cutting or cross member mods, HOWEVER, the 4 speed unit is available in a conversion unit that will fit in YOUR original 4 speed case whereas the 5 speed will have its own NEW case. My understanding is that the 5 speed will of course be more expensive that his 4 speed OD. The other thing you guys are overlooking is that while the 5 speed can use the original Hurst shifter HANDLE you are also going to have to purchase a new SHIFTER mechanisum.

The Passon trans is aimed at market share he is missing with the Keisler 5 speed which is simply a modern TreMac trans (that is used in new cars) kit to fit other cars WITH modifications.

The younger crowd that has grown up with these newer cars with 5 and six speeds think a 5 or six speed is necessary for overdrive and economy. What they don't understand is that those transmissions are designed not only for economy but also emissions.

I am all for an overdrive option in our old cars but I don't see the added value (and cost) for a 4 speed OD over the 4 speed OD.

The 4 speed OD conversion unit is $1795. (using your old case and your labor to install it) vs. $2995. for his complete 4 speed OD. The conversion unit will also cost WAY less to ship.

 

[moparpoor]

The big difference between the 4sp od and the new 5sp is hp capability.The new 5sp is rated at 1000hp.I have been keeping up with the testing.They have been beating the **** out of it.They are doing the final fit in some 62-65 b body and early a body stuff.

 

[696pack]

The big difference between the 4sp od and the new 5sp is hp capability.The new 5sp is rated at 1000hp.I have been keeping up with the testing.They have been beating the **** out of it.They are doing the final fit in some 62-65 b body and early a body stuff.

Worth it for someone that has a 1000 h.p. engine but how many do?

The original Hemi 4 speeds 23 splines are good up to 550 h.p. and the 18 splines for more h.p. The 4 speed OD is an 18 spline and actually STRONGER than the original Hemi 4 speed.

 

[moparmarks]

I talked to Jammie at the NATS and he said the A-body was still a few months out and then the B and B/E would be about 18 months after that. I want one behind my 528

 

[moparpoor]

18 spline 4sp with liberty internals 650hp 3700# race weight lasted 2 passes with an adjustable clutch.23 spline will not handle 550hp,unless the car weighs 2300# or is on 6" factory red lines.Just ask 68hemigts how much money he spent on that factory 18 spline.I think it worked out to be around $1,400 a pass including clutch.I love 4sp,they just hate me!!!If we are talking street use its possible.

 

[moparpoor]

1000hp big block mopars are not that uncommon since the availability of bolt on turbo and procharger kits!Hell even small blocks pushing that number.

 

[moparmarks]

I hope it bangs gears like the 833. Hate how the TKO shifts.

 

[moparpoor]

A couple of the guys that are testing them in their cars have posted on moparts and love them.They are being offered with shifter options from my understanding.I am really thinking about pulling the trigger on one when available!

 

[moparmarks]

Cool. I didn't know that he was getting right on the 62-5B's

 

[fourgearsavoy]

The new 5-speed comes with shifter and linkage,Jamie has also re-engineered a few of the problem areas with the 833 trans.
I have installed a few of his O.D. gear sets and while they are nice the 5-speed is a much better designed unit.
If I could sell my 18 spline E-body trans and my Richmond 5-speed race box I will have one of Jamie's 5-speed transmissions.
Gusccasion14:

 

[biomedtechguy]

I have recently been looking at a 5 speed option and I am liking the Passon 5 speed. Strong and ready to go.

 

[Rock Hornbuckle]

The waiting list for the 5 speed is long. I placed my order in Feb. 2014. Am told I may get my trans by Dec. 2015. That's about 20 months.