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Price check: 1969 Super Bee

Billccm

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Just when I was throwing in the towel on searching out of state I found this car:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/131941562083?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

Spoke with the seller three times today; he seems straightforward and honest. Reserve is 22,300. Explained that the rear end has a vibration that a new driveshaft did not fix. Said the car has a 'three thousand dollar paint job that is great at 3 feet away'. Texted me trunk pictures; it has a replacement trunk pan. Claims everything is functional except gas gauge.

He will also deliver to Tucson for a small fee for gas.

Does not like to sell outside of eBay due to a scammer situation.

Okay, will the panel of experts please share their knowledge, because I'm about to place my bid.
 
BTW, I know this car has a 1968 hood. I noticed it immediately. I assume some cars were built this way as I have seen a few 1969 Coronets before with 1968 hoods.
 
what hood was on a 69 non ram air car? can't picture it . looks like a 70 air cleaner also.
 
Hood looks ok to me. Pictures are deceiving but it sure looks good for that price. I like it. Have an FBBO in Texas look at it and get it!
 
Those hoods were used on non air grabber n 69'
it's missing the filler piece between the hood and grille that attaches to the lip of the hood. It has few incorrect things going on but looks like a nice ride.
If it's as described I think that's a good price.
 
I personally would not buy a car without looking at it. Is the guy a flipper or is this his car he bought years ago?

Based on your description I would be headed to TX with a trailer and money. If that's what your looking for I don't think $22k is out of the question. I would do some homework on the numbers and stamps, make sure it's legit. If it is, it's an investment grade car.
 
Trunk pan replaced, any other major surgery?
Shoddy paint raises a flag but can be rectified. Should be a negotiation point as far as dollar amount for sale.
Hood is correct, as stated, just needs filler piece attached.
Air cleaner assembly is incorrect.
Buckets and column shift is interesting.
 
Tail panel incorrect for a Superbee, should be more black and less silver. I think the seat covers are wrong.
 
The seller disclosed that seats, steering wheel, and a few other items were from a Mopar salvage yard some where in Texas. he said the car had Pontiac Trans Am buckets in it when he got it, and found what he thought was the correct bucket seats and had them reupholstered. He also has disclosed that the headliner was replaced, but the rubber trim around the inside backlite keeps coming loose. Rubber weatherstrips on door and side windows are original and dray rotted badly, too.

The seller sent me ~20 before photos; floorpans look good, the trunk had major scale, hence the new pan. frame rails and trunk extensions look great.

He has made it clear that this is not a Barrett Jackson level car, but a solid, honest driver, which is what I'm looking for, and like I have said previously, if the body and chassis are solid, I'm not overly concerned about much else.

He is obviously a car flipper; told me stories about GTOs and A Body MOPARs he has sold over the past few months. His eBay feedback looks good for all of the cars he has sold (just sold a Road Runner tribute on 5 September with good feedback).

My question to the experts is: Is this a good 25K car, or a piece of junk?

I'm calling him back tomorrow and may negotiate. This is the car I have been looking for (although I really wanted F3, but I'll take F8).

Keep the comments and advice coming!
 
BTW, I know this car has a 1968 hood. I noticed it immediately. I assume some cars were built this way as I have seen a few 1969 Coronets before with 1968 hoods.

Well, I'll throw in my $0.02 on this one as well, since I'm somewhat familiar with '69 Super Bees. I've owned mine for 43 years now.

1st, the hood looks legit. Without the Ramcharger N96 option, the Power Bulge hood was Standard issue.

2nd, as someone already mentioned, the Air Cleaner assembly is NOT a '69. It looks like a '70 style that would be on say a Challenger 383, I'm sure it was used on others as well.

3rd, the interior seat upholstery, front and rear, is NOT factory '69 Super Bee. In fact I don't believe it is '69 Coronet upholstery at all. Not sure what it is from. On second thought, this car has bucket seats (option code C55), so MAYBE with buckets you got this funky upholstery?? Door panels don't match with Super Bee's I've seen either. Steering wheel does not look to be correct for '69 either. Anyone know for sure about any of this?? The rest of the dash looks good and correct for '69. Can't see the tach/clock very well in the photos, does it have a Tachometer with the Clock on the Rallye cluster? The fender tag is coded for both A62 (Rallye Instrument Cluster) and N85 (Tachometer). The A62 supposedly INCLUDES the Tachometer, so therefore the N85 code would seem to be redundant? Just seems odd.

4th, notice the door handles. They have the BLACK plastic buttons which were used on early model year cars. This fits perfectly with the SPD (scheduled production date) of August 15th, 1968 on the fender tag. Also, the tail light lenses appear to be the "early" type as well. Both of these items changed to a different style somewhere around January 1st 1969. So, both of these look legit. However, the tail light FINISH PANEL is not correct for a Super Bee. Either this was changed out from another Coronet model (Coronet 440?) or the original finish was removed and not restored to factory OEM. Same with the finish on the headlight bezels. They appear too "Bright".

5th, On the passenger front fender, it is difficult to see if there is a "Pentastar" on the lower portion of the fender. If there IS one there, it appears to be too far back, too close to the door edge. If it is missing, that is another indication of sheet metal work that has been done, possibly incorrectly. In addition, the one picture that shows the passenger side door jamb area with the door open, just seems a little peculiar to me. I'm looking at the seam where the quarter panel meets up with the door jamb and it just doesn't quite seem like a factory job. Kinda looks like some rough weld bead in a couple places?? I don't know, maybe it is factory???

6th, fender tag is coded for a BLACK tail stripe (V8X) and this car now has a WHITE stripe.

7th, Exhaust tips are PLYMOUTH, not DODGE.

8th, Of course the spare tire hold down bracket is missing from the trunk, but you stated that the trunk floor had been replaced. Just another detail overlooked by the shop that did the work. I call it "shoddy" but you may be OK with it?? Also, as a FYI, there looks to be a trunk light switch installed on this car. Usually this is part of the A01 Light Package option, this is NOT coded on the fender tag. Again, not sure how this happens.

I guess that's enough analysis for this one, hope this helps you with your decision. Overall, probably one of the better cars "for the money" that you've been looking at that I'm aware of. Good luck!


edit: Looks like more info has been posted while I was composing this reply. Others have brought up some of the same issues I've pointed out.
 
Lots of opinions here. If I were in the market, I'd be enroute to see it. With the reserve in hand. Look underneath and open the doors. Unless the pics are very deceiving, it looks good to me.
 
I too cannot see the pentastar and wondered about that detail.

I'm comfortable at the $22,300 reserve. I've walked away from two 22K B Bodys recently that were in need of much more than this car, and were also misrepresented. I'm calling the seller tomorrow to discuss further.
 
On the subject of nitpicking, anyone here work on or have your car worked on lately? You can drop 2k real easy. Door handles, tips, trim color? Caveat Emptor always prevails, but this car may prove that it is a buyers market. The Chevy moron who painted my Coronet failed to put the Pentastar back on. I noticed. He is Shelly's Auto Body, Danielsville, Pennsylvania. A scum sucking...Thank you for the opportunity to besmirch this crook. Happy shopping.
 
I always thought the Super Bee did not have roll down rear windows; looks as if this car has roll down windows?

There was a Super Bee coupe and hardtop model, correct? I assume this car is a hardtop model, which includes roll down rear windows.

I'm not worried about too much correctness, but it is data that I need to be educated and I enjoy hearing the feedback!

Trying not to get too excited, but even my wife is thrilled to have found this car (we dated way back in the late 1970s in my Coronet 440).
 
If you can live with eh-paint, and don't mind fixing all the other incorrect details.....I'd say the strongest thing about the car is the solid metal. I think it would take a bunch of money to make it a great car. Personally, I'd invest in a more-correct/more-finished car. I'd still let someone else take the hit from a really nice resto. Just my 2-cents. It's a cool car, but the 3-footer thing....generally means $$$$
 
I bought a car for about $25 in similar condition as the one you're considering (before I became aware of FBBO) and have had to fix a lot of things because it had a half-assed restoration. Not to mention several cosmetic issues I fixed.

You need to consider how much it will cost to repair things that don't work, don't look right and don't match the year or build sheet for your car. Other considerations: your time, your health, a place to work on the car, tools, and money. That missing hood piece is almost impossible to find and expensive. And there are many other model specific parts like that for the Bees.

Listen to the wisdom on this forum and do not let your wife's or your own emotions play any part in your decision.

Personally, I would not buy this car. I would keep looking for the car in the color you said you "really" want in that's in better condition. Sure, it will cost more up front you'll spend more fixing one like this car in the long run.
 
There was a Super Bee coupe and hardtop model, correct? I assume this car is a hardtop model, which includes roll down rear windows.

You are correct, WM21 is the coupe, with swing out rear windows.

WM23 is the hardtop, with the roll down rear windows.


As I said before, this is probably the best car you've been looking at so far and is priced not too bad for what you get. (At least from the pictures) Only you (and your wife) can decide if it is the one for you.

Yes, it is just my opionion (and everyone has one) but I'm just trying to help you and point out some of the things I see that aren't factory. Some people here don't sweat the "details" and think I'm just "nitpicking", but then they are the same ones that later are constantly posting how they got "screwed over" by the "Scum sucking pigs" at "So & So's Body Shop" a hundred years ago and just can't "Get Over It". Maybe looking at the details and nitpicking prior to the purchase isn't such a bad thing after all.

Whatever you decide Billccm, best of luck to you!
 
Another question: pics show no seat belts in the back seat. I'll ask today if they are just tucked under the seat cushion. Assuming no rear seat belts, is it possible to install these:
http://www.seatbeltsplus.com/product/6870AB-LB.html
Those could certainly be installed. Hoping they're there and just not visible.
Also, those sure look like Charger bucket seats. Having the build sheet will be critical. Thankfully it's not lost.
 
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