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Road Runner History and Identification

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Can anyone supply info about, or offer reference sources for, the following?

What is the date of the first Road Runner production vehicles to roll of the line?

Is there a record of quantity of the 1968 production, by both month and assembly plant?

Is it a different start date for each of the 3 assembly plants (Lynch, St. Louis, LA) or did they all start simultaneously?

On the fender tag what does the shipping order number signify? (the tag in question is a 1968 Road Runner, SO# 900505, what does 900505 mean?)

On the fender tag are the codes Y9 (special order) and 999 (special paint). Unfortunately, there is no broadcast sheet. Is there anyway to know the dealer for the Y9 (can’t locate previous owners) and anyway to know the original paint (besides the physical inspection)?

Thank you for any assistance, Dan.
 
I don't think there is any way to know how many were produced by month or even by plant. You can find out how many like yours are likely to still exist in registries by having Galen Govier over at GTS (Galens Tag Service) go over what documentation you do have. He also has avaliable for sale his set of "White Books" which have lot's of decoding type info in them. If your REALLY lucky, he may have your build sheet too. There is a new column in the "Mopar Collectors Guide" called "Broadcast News", kind of a lost and found for broadcast sheets. That is a longshot but I am hoping to find the one for my `68 Road Runner somewhere, that would be like winning the lottery!.
The only way to know what color your car started as without the B.S. will be a visual inspection, hopefully the entire car wasn't media blasted at some point. I found my original paint in tact under the post trim and the front and rear window channels after I removed the glass for restoration and there should be plenty of overspray here and there. As far as the build date?, if it has it's original engine in it the casting date on it and the cars build date are close to eachother, there is a general rule of thumb on that but I can't remember what it is off the top of my head.
We would all like to see some pictures after a proper introduction of yourself over at the "Welcome Wagon". How often do you just walk in to a room with a bunch of strangers and start firing off ?'s without introducing yourself?.
 
Yes you need to contact Galen Govier at GTS..... One of the 999 Special Order colors is Omaha Orange they used 999 for that color.Orange Mopars very rare in 1968.
Jim
 
The below info are things I have written in response to similar questions over the years and saved. It is not a direct answer to ALL of your questions but you can read through it and find answers to most of your questions.

Y9 cars were code so for a varity of reasons, and not often orders written by dealers but rather the factory.

Without the IBM card, original invoice, window sticker, or the Certicard, there is no way to determine the original receiving dealer.

999 paint code could be ANY color available from paint manufacturers regardless of auto maker or THEIR color name. As others said, you will have to find a hidden area with original pain in tact.




The new model year cars began being built around August 1. This date varied from year to year and plant to plant for various reason with regard to how big of a job it was to re-tool for the new year or if a particular plant was making a complete change over as to the models they were going to built for the up coming year. Sometimes the change over did not meet schedule and some times they were ahead of schedule, but the target date for start up production was August 1, but even when ahead of schedule they did not start early as the work force was not scheduled back until August 1.

The production began in August for promo, advertising and show cars for the dealer new car shows at the regional or zone level. These shows were held the first part of August. At the time of the showing the dealers sat down at the show with their sales rep and they made their initial sales order for the cars that were to be in their dealership for the new model release to the public on October 1. At this time the dealer received their new car order forms for additional orders, Dealer Data Book, the Color and Upholstery Book, however they did NOT get their brochures at that time but were rather mailed to the dealers shortly before October 1.

Back in the late 60s and early 70s cars typically took 4 week from the time the dealer mailed the order until the time the car rolled off of the transport at the dealership. So, some dealers got their new models earlier than others depending on how the orders were input into the system. When you got your new models you covered or hide them from the public and were not allowed to sell them until October 1.



The (SO) sales order, NOT shipping order on the fender tag, and it's number were the first document in the life of a car. After it was written it was determined by the corporate office as to which plant it would be produced at depending on which plant built that particular model and was geographically closest to where the car was to be shipped to IF it was predestine for a dealership. At that point the sales order info ( AND the V.I.N. which was assigned at this point ) were input on the IMB computer that generated the IBM card and from that point the plant that was to produce the car picked up this information from the IBM system. The ONLY number that was generated by the actual production plant that produced a given car was the SEQUENCE number that is the first set of characters on line one of the broadcast sheet. This number should not be confused with the sequence portion of the V.I.N. and they had no corrolation to anything other than the producing plant at the TIME of the cars production. This number is simply the ACTUAL sequence that the car went down the assembly line.
In the case of the A12 cars since they were sales bank cars the sales orders were written in house at the corporate office and they were not destine for a particular dealer.
The order # comes from the order forms that were sequencial but since they were distributed throughout the country to different dealers and were also available to the personell that wrote the orders for the sales bank cars they were all mixed up and seperated before they were input on the IMB card. I would think that with the amount of orders that had to be filled out at the corporate office for the A12 cars and other sales bank cars that there was more than one person filling them out over a course of several days. When you factor in people working at different speeds, lunch and coffee breaks, how many one person might hold compared to another person before giving them to a key punch operator, etc., etc. these numbers could be all over the place.

Now, you have to understand that the cars that were ordered on the original sales orders that were written for these A12 cars were delayed due to the intake manifold shortages. ALL of these cars were SUPPOSED to be built by the time that the cars were announced to the buying public, and ALL were to be built in the four special colors. AFTER the initial sales bank cars were basically sold the factory was going to accept orders in any available color and any available options.

It is my personal believe (although I have no factory documents to confirm this) that the V.I.N.s for the UNBUILT cars waiting for manifolds to become available, were re-assigned for some reason. Probably because they were concerned that they MAY run out of model year build time before the manifolds became available and there would be a hole in the V.I.N. number sequence for cars that WERE built. This also explains the cars built in colors OTHER than the initial four, that all of these cars were SUPPOSED to be built in. Customers that had been waiting to "special order" an A12 got EXISTING orders customized that that had not yet been built converted to THEIR orders, although they were still classified as SALES BANK cars.

What all of this boils down to is that there MAY be some corrolation of V.I.N./SPD/VONs for the EARLY built cars from the master order list to other cars being built at that same time, BUT, the numbers for the other A12 cars are all over the place due to the manifold delays.
 
We would all like to see some pictures after a proper introduction of yourself over at the "Welcome Wagon". How often do you just walk in to a room with a bunch of strangers and start firing off ?'s without introducing yourself?.

He posted this exact same question on every single MoPar website on the planet...he ain't looking to make friends...

:no:
ACME
 
Thanks guys for the input. I've contacted Galen Govier for advice. But the response is that they are one year behind. I'll keep digging.

696pack: thank you for sharing all the insight. It is appreciated.

detmatt1: wow, Miss Manners crossed with a nun greets me! You're a mean tough audience apparently, judging by you being personally offended. I've been real busy with life and don't feel I have to explain my life to you, nor why did I spend just a few minutes posting questions. Believe it or not I'll get around to sharing my stories, and the hot rod, and all the pics. Thank you.

Acme: cold man, cold. You don't know me so why take a personal offense? I'll get around to being your friend once my life's problems settle down and I got some time to post all the stories and pics. Thank you.

Everyone else: great forum. Nice people. I'll join in more in the near future. Peace y'all.
 
Thanks guys for the input. I've contacted Galen Govier for advice. But the response is that they are one year behind. I'll keep digging.

696pack: thank you for sharing all the insight. It is appreciated.

detmatt1: wow, Miss Manners crossed with a nun greets me! You're a mean tough audience apparently, judging by you being personally offended. I've been real busy with life and don't feel I have to explain my life to you, nor why did I spend just a few minutes posting questions. Believe it or not I'll get around to sharing my stories, and the hot rod, and all the pics. Thank you.

Acme: cold man, cold. You don't know me so why take a personal offense? I'll get around to being your friend once my life's problems settle down and I got some time to post all the stories and pics. Thank you.

Everyone else: great forum. Nice people. I'll join in more in the near future. Peace y'all.

No need to jump all over me, I was more than forthcoming with the info I provided you befor I suggested you hit the welcome wagon. It would have taken the same amount of time to post the same questions after a short intro there.
 
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