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new to this forum as i bought my first 68 gtx only a week ago, she's a driver but needs a little love and finsihing. i do have a few unexperinced questions if someone on here could answer, first is the round side marker lights on each corner of the car, should these light with the park lights or headlamps or both. mine do not light up at all at the momnet, same with the front park lamps in the bumper, they only indicate signal is this correct.

thanks in advance
 
not too sure about the 68s, but, on the 69s the DOT fined Chrysler for not having the rear qtr marker lights 'light up' per a new law applicable for 69s, thus, in all the 70 models the rear qtr markers lit up.
 
Hi, welcome on the board.

Donny, there was no such fine; Chrysler followed the law just fine. US and Canadian regulations (Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 108) required front amber and red rear sidemarker lights and/or reflectors from 1/1/68, and front amber and red rear sidemarker lights and reflectors from 1/1/70. Most all '68 Chrysler Corp cars got sidemarker lights (only); most '69s got sidemarker reflectors (only). The sidemarker lights are required to light up with the parking lamps and remain lit with the headlamps.
 
Well, fine and dandy, I read it somewhere years ago that Chry Corp did get fined for not having lights in the rear qtrs, cheaper to pay the fine vs. retrofitting all the cars out there. And, frankly at this point, who really cares? And, for arguments sake, how can you prove they did not get fined?
 
I am having the same issue. I got the backs to work when lights are on, but the fronts and turn signals anot right. If I turn the left turn signal on the front left and right rear come on and blink. When I do the right, the left rear and no front right. I also don't have any front side marker lights. I already replaced all bulbs. Also no reverse lights. This is really getting annoying as no matter what I do, it doesn't work.
 
I read it somewhere years ago that Chry Corp did get fined for not having lights in the rear qtrs

It's easy to find all kinds of made-up babble in readable form. In this case, you read something somebody put in print somewhere because he didn't know what he was talking about and his random guess seemed plausible to him for exactly that reason (he didn't know what he was talking about).

for arguments sake, how can you prove they did not get fined?
Well, it's easier for me to do so than it might be for most others, because I work with U.S., Canadian, and international automotive lighting regulations on a daily basis. I've contributed regulatory text to them. I'm a member of most of the working groups that keep them up-to-date and relevant. And as such:

1. I've got most of them pretty well memorized, and
2. I've got ready access to the prior versions for when I forget a detail.

In short, they didn't get fined because there would've been no basis for any such a fine; the '69 setup (sidemarker reflectors without lights) was fully compliant with the regulatory provisions in force at that time -- just like the lights-without-reflectors setup was fully compliant in '68. All Mopars, like all other-brand vehicles, had lights + reflectors starting in '70.

Moreover, "cheaper to pay the fine than to retrofit all the cars" is a nonstarter; that's never how the North American vehicle regulations' enforcement provisions have worked. If a regulated party (manufacturer or importer of vehicles or items of vehicle equipment) manufactures or imports something that is not fully compliant with all applicable regulatory provisions, the regulated party is legally obligated to fix the noncompliance. There may or may not be civil penalties applied, but either way, unless the manufacturer or importer can prove the noncompliance is inconsequential to safety, he must recall and correct the noncompliant vehicles or equipment. In the case of noncompliant aftermarket parts and accessories, the violator must recall the components, and may either replace them with compliant equivalents or refund the buyer's money. This is how it has always been.

We're not really going to have a silly facts-vs-fantasy argument…are we?
 
Side markers light up with both the parking lights and head lights, but the front parking lights in the ft bumpers will only be on with the parking lights on a 68.
 
Side markers light up with both the parking lights and head lights, but the front parking lights in the ft bumpers will only be on with the parking lights on a 68.

thats exactly correct.
 

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Can some one give us a hint at what to search for to correct our electrical issues in regards to the turn signal, side marker light issue? I know if 68gtx is half as frustrated as I in regards to these lighting issues, you would really make our day.
Thank you
 
Side markers light up with both the parking lights and head lights, but the front parking lights in the ft bumpers will only be on with the parking lights on a 68.

Yup, exactly what he said....

IIRC, the side marker lights use the body panel to ground to. ie. when the socket is in contact with sheetmetal it makes the ground. you may to check that 68RR...could be part of the problem.

Oh! BTW Welcome!!!:worthless_thread:
 
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new to this forum as i bought my first 68 gtx only a week ago, she's a driver but needs a little love and finsihing. i do have a few unexperinced questions if someone on here could answer, first is the round side marker lights on each corner of the car, should these light with the park lights or headlamps or both. mine do not light up at all at the momnet, same with the front park lamps in the bumper, they only indicate signal is this correct.

thanks in advance
Check fuses, bulbs and power, check the park light pole on the head light switch. They should come on with the parking lights.
 
Thank MarPar and Patrick, That's the kind of help I was looking for. I appreciate it. I have done all new bulbs and fuses. Will check ground contact with panels. Should the side marker light be spliced into the front turn signals or just plug into the harness with one wire?
Thanks for the pointers so far
 
Thank MarPar and Patrick, That's the kind of help I was looking for. I appreciate it. I have done all new bulbs and fuses. Will check ground contact with panels. Should the side marker light be spliced into the front turn signals or just plug into the harness with one wire?
Thanks for the pointers so far

Side markers plug into the harness with one wire and ground to the body as MarPar says. Another common problem with the side markers and ft turn park lamps are rust/dirt in the bulb sockets. The turn signal problen sounds as someone has been in the harness. Do you see any splices in the trunk harness? Where are you 68RR? I'm in Palm Beach, FL and if you are close by I could stop by and help you sort it out.
 
This may help. If anyone needs copies I can email printable copies or fax copies.
 

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Also, a little off topic, but starting in '69 Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 108 was amended to require that parking lamps remain lit with the headlamps. The idea is that oncoming traffic still sees you as a car (not a motorcycle) if a headlight burns out. Good idea, that. Very easy to retrofit to pre-'69 cars. Remove the headlight switch, run a short 16ga jumper between the "P" and "R" terminals on the headlamp switch body, right down at the base of those terminals. Make sure the ends of the jumper are neatly tucked so they won't touch any adjacent terminals, then push the connector block onto the switch, on top of your new jumper wire.
 
I am having some e mail issues right now, but as soon as they get worked out I will send copies. Fax is still up if you'd like to PM a fax #.
 
Awesome rrunner,
I really appreciated the help, diagrams, and contact info. Ordered new side markers and with your tips hope to have it licked shortly!
 
Awesome rrunner,
I really appreciated the help, diagrams, and contact info. Ordered new side markers and with your tips hope to have it licked shortly!

No problem 68 Roadrunner, if you need any other info just PM me.
I just sent copies to 68GTX, Please let me know if you got them. Hoping I have my email problem figured out.
 
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