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Vin # issues...

challengerz

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does anyone knows if anybody is reproducing the dash frame VIN tags,the reason is cause i am about to buy a B body vehicle that the vin tag on the dash frame has been missing for a while,its got a title and the numbers on the radiator support and trunk lid match the title....what can i do to get a VIN I.D for this vehicle or do i just walk away from this deal ?? any help or advice would be greatly appreciated....thanks...
 
I'd say walk away from that deal. What if somebody removed the VIN tag from that car and put it onto another car. Now you would have 2 cars running around with the same VIN and title. I know there are places that will remake fender tags but I know of no one who will make a repo VIN tag. You will be running into a lot of headaches that are probably not worth the trouble.

Just my 2 cents

Joe
 
Here in Wisconsin, if a car's VIN tag has been tampered with or removed, it is state law to have the car destroyed......No kidding.

I'd walk away too..Typically those VIN's need to be intentionally removed, they just don't fall off. So why would someone remove it?? Hmmmm

Something smell's like stale french fries...
 
VIN Tags

Trim tags - no big problems.

VIN tags - big problems, legal and criminal issues.

Don't just walk away - Run Forrest Run!!!
 
Talk to a cop and tell him you are considering buying a car and you have reason to believe that it may have been stolen. Ask him to run a check on the V.I.N. to see if it has ever been reported stolen. Don't offer ANYTHING ELSE. When he runs the V.I.N. if it is currently registered and has no report of ever been stolen then you can figure your next move.
 
do a search on this site i cant remember the company name but there is a company i came across that will repop you a new vin with a picture of the title, and of both the hidden spots on the car but it will cost you about $400 and they will also give you the two "special'" rivets, BUT i would def have a cop run it to make sure its ok, maybe someone just changed the dash out?
 
I bought a blue complete dash frame out of a '73 roadrunner about 8 years ago and he left the vin plate on the dash frame. If its a blue roadrunner body shell, I might have your vin tag
 
I used a '69 warranty replacement block for my build. The builder had the means and proper tools to stamp the VIN on the block if I so choosed. I left the block blank. But just the thought of it, made me wonder about how many "truly" numbers matching cars are out there. When there's a dollar to be made, one will often find a way.
 
do a search on this site i cant remember the company name but there is a company i came across that will repop you a new vin with a picture of the title, and of both the hidden spots on the car but it will cost you about $400 and they will also give you the two "special'" rivets, BUT i would def have a cop run it to make sure its ok, maybe someone just changed the dash out?
Reproducing a dash VIN is a federal offense. Period. What you just posted is illegal.
 
OK, here we go.

I will start by saying that I likely know more about V.I.N. law than anyone on this site. Having been in the car business for many years, previously owning a body shop and having seen about every senario you can think of when it comes to stolen cars etc. I can tell you that it is NOT illegal to have a factory appearing V.I.N. tag made. However, it is not an easy thing to have done. The only maker (other than possibly someone hand-making them in their basement illegally) for these V.I.N. tags takes it very seriously and requires the proper state documents before he will consider it.

All of this being said, each state has their own requirements and it depends on the ownership chain of the vehicle. Some state simply don't allow for an original looking tag to be made period. Other states allow it, and still others it is a grey area.

The reason for my first post in this thread was to alert the OP that before he does ANYTHING he needs to find out if the car's V.I.N. has ever been reported stolen. If not this does not mean that the V.I.N. will never show up on another car some day. Here is a possibility:
Lets say that the subject car in this post is a 1969 R/T, (as the OP has not disclosed what the car is) he knows the full V.I.N. as the title is still with the car. Lets say that whoever removed the V.I.N. did so with the intentions of re-tagging another car. If so, the guy apparently doesn't understand that there are hidden numbers on these cars. This guy re-tags another car gets a title and is driving it. A new title is not much of a problem to get on an old car like this. So, lets say that the OP gets a new original appearing V.I.N. for this subject car. Now we have TWO cars with the same V.I.N. but maybe in different states. Years later ONE of these cars gets stolen and the V.I.N. is now on the stolen car list Nationally. Still later the guy that re-tagged the car with the original V.I.N. gets pulled over for speeding and the cops computer shows the car to be stolen. This is where **** gets deep. The OP with the original car, original title, matching hidden numbers and paperwork to back up the right to have the original appearing tag made is in the clear. The guy that re-tagged the car is in deep do-do. It is a Federal offense because the original car STILL exists and he removed the V.I.N. from the car and placed it on another car.

Now, if you are following all of this you also need to understand that if the guy that originally removed the tag from the car and re-tagged the other car had LEGALLY OWNED both the cars involved then he has the legal right to switch the tags for repair or restoration purposes. The original title has to go with the tag. The car that he removed the tag from has to be junked along with the tag and the title to the one that he re-tagged has to go back to the state as a "junked car." This exception to the V.I.N. tampering law was created because wreck rebuilders do this all the time by buying two like cars such as one with rear damage and one with front damage and they graft the two cars togather as one. ONE car has to "die." It is up to the wreck rebuilder to decide which one. Some state have strickter policies than others on this matter and sometimes a police officer has to be present when the tags are switched or the parts are changed. Most simply want to see that the paperwork is done correctly and ONE car is crushed. There is nothing in the Federal law regarding this being done by an individual or a licensed wreck rebuilder but some state do have an exception for licensed shops only.

Now, back to the grey area. Most states as a matter of simplicity IF they know of the situation will simply slap a "state issued" V.I.N. tag on the car in question and a control number will be issued at the same time that will go in the state title file for the car and it will remain with the car for the rest of it's life. The state doesn't care that it will DRAMTICALLY impact the value of the car. Sooooo, anyone that this concerns will NOT involve the state officials in this matter other than to find a police officer to sign off on the required paperwork to have the original appearing V.I.N. tag. The problem is that you may find a cop that says "no, you need to have a state issued V.I.N. tag installed" and may halt the entire process. Some states allow for a licensed attorney to fill out the state forms for this situation.

You certainly have to make sure you do all of this in the correct order so you don't end up in trouble over this.

How do I know so many specifics about all of this? Years ago I owned a 1966 Corvette that was stolen and recovered within the same week. When they found the car the theives had ripped the V.I.N. tag from the car and destroyed it. I did the investigation to find the guy that makes the original appearing tags and got the correct state paperwork signed off on by the arresting officer that recovered my stolen car in order to have the tag made.

The bottom line regarding this subject car in this post is that it likely is not worth the time, trouble and possible problems it may cause.
 
check with your states dmv, here in IL. you can have an inspection done and if the car checks out ie. not stolen and passes an MHRA safety inspection it can be issued a new vin. I had to do this with a cobra roadster I bought some years back.
 
check with your states dmv, here in IL. you can have an inspection done and if the car checks out ie. not stolen and passes an MHRA safety inspection it can be issued a new vin. I had to do this with a cobra roadster I bought some years back.


Was it a state issued V.I.N. or did they allow you to get an original appearing tag? That is the point of my novel post above?
 
Was it a state issued V.I.N. or did they allow you to get an original appearing tag? That is the point of my novel post above?

it was a state tag the original kit didnt have the 10 digit vin format so the "system" wouldnt take it
 
it was a state tag the original kit didnt have the 10 digit vin format so the "system" wouldnt take it

Therein lies the problem if it it a car that has any value in terms such as if it is a valuable "hipo" car. The State issued V.I.N. is the kis of death and that is why people are interested in an original appearing V.I.N. tag.
 
....WOW.....thats lot of info to take in but,i really really appreciate all this people ...THANKS...THANKS alot for all of this info, the thing is i cant revelled what kind of car this is just to protect the seller,what i can say is that the car is NOT a # matching car as far as eng or tranny, i can also say that i am in the state of TEXAS and that i dont really know what are the state laws on this issue.and MORBIDGOAT if you can forward me that info i can check out with them to see if thay can help me out? if the seller and i agree on the price and i buy this thing,i'll post all the info that you all people need on this car to maybe we can solve this issue...and THANKS again....
 
OK, here we go.

I will start by saying that I likely know more about V.I.N. law than anyone on this site. Having been in the car business for many years, previously owning a body shop and having seen about every senario you can think of when it comes to stolen cars etc. I can tell you that it is NOT illegal to have a factory appearing V.I.N. tag made. However, it is not an easy thing to have done. The only maker (other than possibly someone hand-making them in their basement illegally) for these V.I.N. tags takes it very seriously and requires the proper state documents before he will consider it.

All of this being said, each state has their own requirements and it depends on the ownership chain of the vehicle. Some state simply don't allow for an original looking tag to be made period. Other states allow it, and still others it is a grey area.

The reason for my first post in this thread was to alert the OP that before he does ANYTHING he needs to find out if the car's V.I.N. has ever been reported stolen. If not this does not mean that the V.I.N. will never show up on another car some day. Here is a possibility:
Lets say that the subject car in this post is a 1969 R/T, (as the OP has not disclosed what the car is) he knows the full V.I.N. as the title is still with the car. Lets say that whoever removed the V.I.N. did so with the intentions of re-tagging another car. If so, the guy apparently doesn't understand that there are hidden numbers on these cars. This guy re-tags another car gets a title and is driving it. A new title is not much of a problem to get on an old car like this. So, lets say that the OP gets a new original appearing V.I.N. for this subject car. Now we have TWO cars with the same V.I.N. but maybe in different states. Years later ONE of these cars gets stolen and the V.I.N. is now on the stolen car list Nationally. Still later the guy that re-tagged the car with the original V.I.N. gets pulled over for speeding and the cops computer shows the car to be stolen. This is where **** gets deep. The OP with the original car, original title, matching hidden numbers and paperwork to back up the right to have the original appearing tag made is in the clear. The guy that re-tagged the car is in deep do-do. It is a Federal offense because the original car STILL exists and he removed the V.I.N. from the car and placed it on another car.

Now, if you are following all of this you also need to understand that if the guy that originally removed the tag from the car and re-tagged the other car had LEGALLY OWNED both the cars involved then he has the legal right to switch the tags for repair or restoration purposes. The original title has to go with the tag. The car that he removed the tag from has to be junked along with the tag and the title to the one that he re-tagged has to go back to the state as a "junked car." This exception to the V.I.N. tampering law was created because wreck rebuilders do this all the time by buying two like cars such as one with rear damage and one with front damage and they graft the two cars togather as one. ONE car has to "die." It is up to the wreck rebuilder to decide which one. Some state have strickter policies than others on this matter and sometimes a police officer has to be present when the tags are switched or the parts are changed. Most simply want to see that the paperwork is done correctly and ONE car is crushed. There is nothing in the Federal law regarding this being done by an individual or a licensed wreck rebuilder but some state do have an exception for licensed shops only.

Now, back to the grey area. Most states as a matter of simplicity IF they know of the situation will simply slap a "state issued" V.I.N. tag on the car in question and a control number will be issued at the same time that will go in the state title file for the car and it will remain with the car for the rest of it's life. The state doesn't care that it will DRAMTICALLY impact the value of the car. Sooooo, anyone that this concerns will NOT involve the state officials in this matter other than to find a police officer to sign off on the required paperwork to have the original appearing V.I.N. tag. The problem is that you may find a cop that says "no, you need to have a state issued V.I.N. tag installed" and may halt the entire process. Some states allow for a licensed attorney to fill out the state forms for this situation.

You certainly have to make sure you do all of this in the correct order so you don't end up in trouble over this.

How do I know so many specifics about all of this? Years ago I owned a 1966 Corvette that was stolen and recovered within the same week. When they found the car the theives had ripped the V.I.N. tag from the car and destroyed it. I did the investigation to find the guy that makes the original appearing tags and got the correct state paperwork signed off on by the arresting officer that recovered my stolen car in order to have the tag made.

The bottom line regarding this subject car in this post is that it likely is not worth the time, trouble and possible problems it may cause.
Wow, that's interesting. Years ago, we had a car in the shop with the dash VIN tag damaged ( a truck backed into the windshield/dashboard). We inquired to DMV & were told in no uncertain terms, that re-doing the tag was illegal... we had to get a replacement VIN sticker for the car. As a matter of fact, sometime after that we did a stolen/recovered car, with the VIN removed & did the same thing. Anybody & everybody,including law enforcement, insurance, I've dealt with over the years has said the same thing. Perhaps then, it's dependent on the state. Anyway, I wouldn't even think about it. Stuff like that always come back to bite you in the ***.
 
I wouldn't touch it. Too many chances for things to go wrong, all bad. It is NOT worth the hassle you could be in for. There are plenty of cars with good vin tags. Just my opinion. Walk Away. Prison is NOT a nice place to be.
 
Wow, that's interesting. Years ago, we had a car in the shop with the dash VIN tag damaged ( a truck backed into the windshield/dashboard). We inquired to DMV & were told in no uncertain terms, that re-doing the tag was illegal... we had to get a replacement VIN sticker for the car. As a matter of fact, sometime after that we did a stolen/recovered car, with the VIN removed & did the same thing. Anybody & everybody,including law enforcement, insurance, I've dealt with over the years has said the same thing. Perhaps then, it's dependent on the state. Anyway, I wouldn't even think about it. Stuff like that always come back to bite you in the ***.

Yes as I indicated above it IS different from state to state. This is why the rebody argument is so volitale because MOST people don't even know what is reqiured in THEIR state and make blanket statements as to what they THINK the law is. The bottom line is, that if you check out if the car (cars) involved are not stolen and you can get a repoed original looking V.I.N. tag made we will never know want goes on in the dark of the night in a private garage.:spider:
 
You want it, the seller doesn't want it.

But he does want your money.

At this point you would be paying him AND doing his work. Require him to get the VIN tag correct and legal and certified by Texas DMV / Highway Patrol. My opinion is that you make him do what is clearly his job to do.

Then and only then consider parting with your money.
 
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