1963 4 speed?

[mavwreck]

Recently aquired an entire 4 speed setup (minus pedals) from a 1963 Plymouth Sport Fury and I (someone newer to mopars) was not aware that this was not an A833. Luckily this was part of a trade which included many other parts but I was hoping to find a little information about this. First off, is it worth the effort putting it in a car? I have a pretty ratty 67 coronet with a motorhome 440 and based on a quick read this trans would not handle its torque? Secondly, is there any value to this transmission? I’ve read that it was a placeholder till the 833 came out in 64. I recently had my a727 expire due to a shotty rebuild and am ready to swap to 3 pedals. If swapping to an A833 is the right thing is this of any interest to someone that is restoring a 63? It seems to be a good shifting transmission but I don’t know what it’s like driving and the guy I got it from just did a 833. I also have the rear end and funky driveshaft from that car with the trunion style tail shaft.

 

[lewtot184]

Should be a borgwarner t10. Good transmission but never designed to handle RB engine torque. They were one year only. I'd probably pass it off to someone doing a 63 restore.

 

[mavwreck]

Should be a borgwarner t10. Good transmission but never designed to handle RB engine torque. They were one year only. I'd probably pass it off to someone doing a 63 restore.

That’s what I have been reading. Is this trans worth all that much? I understand that it’s rare but that doesn’t always mean it’s worth the scarcity lol

 

[Dave6T4]

Yes, Borg Warner T-10 was used for 1963 and early 1964. These transmissions were first used behind Chev 283 and 327, with much less torque. The Chrysler version of the T-10 is quite rare, and would have value for someone doing a 4-speed 1963 restore.

 

[lewtot184]

That’s what I have been reading. Is this trans worth all that much? I understand that it’s rare but that doesn’t always mean it’s worth the scarcity lol

those t10's along with the t85 aren't often seen. i think somebody oing a restore or is just driving a stock 63 383 would be interested. i have no idea about value but if you have everything that would be a big plus. i think the bellhousing is unique to those borgwarners.

back in the late '60's i had a friend who had a factory 4spd '63 plymouth. he put a junkyard 340hp 413 in the car. busted the 4spd and a max wedge t85. there's a big reason the big three automakers had their own 4spds in '64. pretty sure the t10 was designed for something like 350cuin's and 3500lb car max, but at the time that was all anybody could get their hands on. they're not bad transmissions; just not properly used.

 

[AR67GTX]

The T10 was used behind early 409 Chevys and early 406/427 Galaxies (heavy cars) among others cars so it could stand up to some abuse - just maybe for not too long. But Chrysler engineers were a little more wary and as far as I know, it was never put behind anything larger than a 383 (I could be wrong - maybe the non MaxWedge 413).

 

[Just Send It]

I have the factory T10 in my 63'. The 2nd owner installed it behind a 440 with ported 906 heads and a purple cam back in the 90s. It's a good transmission that has somehow survived slicks.

I would put it back into the ecosystem. Someone that is restoring another 63 could definitely use it.

 

[R/T Boy 67]

Dose that trans have a slip yoke, or a flange? Just curious.

 

[toolmanmike]

Dose that trans have a slip yoke, or a flange? Just curious.

It should have a flange

 

[mavwreck]

Dose that trans have a slip yoke, or a flange? Just curious.

Flange

 

[mavwreck]

It should have a flange

 

[R/T Boy 67]

Thanks. Since it was a fill the gap setup, I wondered if they used the G.M. type trans and just made it work, but I see it was a totally different animal.

 

[lewtot184]

Outside is different, inside ( other than gear ratios) Is probably the same. Cast iron case helps some vs aluminum. One year only; I wouldn't tear it up.

 

[mavwreck]

Outside is different, inside ( other than gear ratios) Is probably the same. Cast iron case helps some vs aluminum. One year only; I wouldn't tear it up.

This was my thinking and with how I drive my car it would be a waste of this piece. Then again if no one is going to buy it then I’m kinda stuck with it :/

 

[Dave6T4]

This was my thinking and with how I drive my car it would be a waste of this piece. Then again if no one is going to buy it then I’m kinda stuck with it :/

I think someone would buy it, just to change their T-85 3-speed out.

 

[lewtot184]

You may want to contact Brewer's and see if you can do some kind of trade in or swap for an 833.

 

[mavwreck]

You may want to contact Brewer's and see if you can do some kind of trade in or swap for an 833.

Would they do something like that? Also what sucks is that I picked up all the parts for the trade 30 minutes north of brewer

 

[toolmanmike]

Would they do something like that? Also what sucks is that I picked up all the parts for the trade 30 minutes north of brewer

They might be interested. Let's ask Dan. @Dan Brewer

 

[lewtot184]

I'd give Brewers a try. I bet they get inquiries about those t10's, and parts are long gone by now.

 

[mavwreck]

They might be interested. Let's ask Dan. @Dan Brewer

Have to get a hold of them tomorrow most likely, have another question though. The setup came with a hurst competition plus, can I use this once I have an 833? Or is it specifically for the T10. Taking a look at brewers website says that the 63 T10 bell housing is its own thing. Is that something I’d be able to use on an 833 or would I have to get another bell housing too?