1970 superbee body tag under hood

[Dr. Z]

customer car, 1970 superbee 383,727, AC, bucket seat council car, dana rear with 410 gears

the body tag on left fender is missing and i have not found a build sheet

FORD has a guy named marti that can take a vin number and give you all the specs on your car and issue a door sticker

does anyone do this for mopars? i have the VIN but no build sheet but would like to get the body tag for under the hood

 

[69Coronetrt]

No, there is no one that can give you the info simply from the VIN on a '70 model year car.

Without at least a broadcast sheet to go by, it will be virtually impossible to reproduce an accurate tag. If the car is from the Lynch Road plant, it will be impossible to reproduce a tag as there is information on the tag that is only found on the tag and no other source.

The chances are high that if you do have a tag made based on what you've provided, you could do more harm than good by having a bad tag made from the car. sometimes it is better to have no tag than a bad tag.

Having a bad tag made is an expensive and rarely worthwhile endeavor.

 

[streetwedg]

I don't think the rear end is correct for this car. With 727 auto you could get a track pack option( with 354 Dana ) but the super track pack (410 dana) was only available with 4 speed.

 

[69Coronetrt]

I don't think the rear end is correct for this car. With 727 auto you could get a track pack option( with 354 Dana ) but the super track pack (410 dana) was only available with 4 speed.

The Dana axle was not available with a 383 so we know it's been swapped out..

 

[Dr. Z]

i was talking to someone at MCACN in chicago a few weeks ago and said same about rearend, need to check numbers on rearend housing, he said it maybe a very valuable rearend. cars just about done but having issues finding some AC stuff and power steering brackets,

i have not seen many 70 bee's with AC

 

[super-bee_ski]

Cars (MOPAR) before 1968 CAN be deciphered via the VIN
NOTE: Somewhat, that is..but not entirely.

But: Cars after 1967...I believe there was a Fire destroying most, if not all of the Data.
Sadly.

Broadcast sheets on the 70 Bee (Like mine) weere placed under the back seat (sit down portion)

 

[69Coronetrt]

Cars (MOPAR) before 1968 CAN be deciphered via the VIN
NOTE: Somewhat, that is..but not entirely.

Just to clarify...you still need more than the VIN.

SOME of the IBM cards on microfiche records from 67 and earlier model year cars exist through Chrysler Historical but not all.

Even if you have the IBM card or the broadcast sheet, you still need to know how to properly layout the tag. What was coded, when it was coded and even where it was coded on the tag changed throughout the production year. Bad tags are expensive, controversial and can cause more red flags on a car than they are worth. Sometimes no tag is better than a bad tag.

The BEST way to make a reproduction tag is using the original as the example.

 

[super-bee_ski]

Thanks 69Coronetrt...

 

[Baller]

I don't think the rear end is correct for this car. With 727 auto you could get a track pack option( with 354 Dana ) but the super track pack (410 dana) was only available with 4 speed.

A32= Super Performance Axle Package (4:10 Dana w/727).

 

[Dr. Z]

A32= Super Performance Axle Package (4:10 Dana w/727).

Well I guess this gets me even more excited cause I am told that that the light yellow color ( original paint) is also a very rare color for this car. And if this car could possibly have a Dana with 4:10 gears then how rare and how much worth. It is an AC car also

 

[69Coronetrt]

Well I guess this gets me even more excited cause I am told that that the light yellow color ( original paint) is also a very rare color for this car. And if this car could possibly have a Dana with 4:10 gears then how rare and how much worth. It is an AC car also

Let's take a deep breath here....

Baller was saying the proper term for the 4:10 Dana and automatic package is the Super Performance axle; not Super Track Pack. It was available with the 440-4, 440-6 and Hemi.

What engine is coded in the VIN?

Is the car an original 383 car? If yes, then no Dana rear end. It's a replacement.
Is the A/C original? Then no 4:10 gears.

So no 383 & Dana.
No A/C and 4:10 gears.
What is most likely, is you have a 383 A/C car and the rear end has been changed.

It's worth the value of a restored 383 A/C Super Bee. Nicely done...probably in the $30's

Yes, original Dana's can be pricey.

Color breakouts for 1970 models are known. What is the original color? Color would add minimal, if any, value to the car unless it was something like FM3, originally a (documented) two tone car, or an odd combination of colors. Depending on the color (something like L1 beige), it could lower the value.

 

[Tempest 455]

Only time you could get Dana w/ a 383 that I'm aware of was under warranty replacement with a 4 spd and 3.91's. Attached TSB said for Road Runner. I would guess it applied to the Bee? Neat bit of trivia.

 

[69Coronetrt]

Yes, that is a very cool and interesting piece of trivia. Nice post.

Keeping it on point...since this is an A/C car, we know that it did not come with 3.91s.

 

[Dr. Z]

 

[69Coronetrt]

I'm not good with colors but that almost looks like it Y2 Sunfire yellow to me.
Y2 was not available on 70 Bee's.
Does it appear to be something besides Y2 Yellow to anyone else?

Appears to be a 383 car with standard hood and stripe. What seats (If any right now) are in the car? I do not see any headrests.

About 15.5% of 70 Super Bee HTs came with A/C. Since A/C was N/A with 440-6 or Hemi, Super Bees with A/C would have been 383 cars.

 

[YY1]

This thread kindled my memory and interest.

My 70 was a factory A/C car in (top) Banana. WM23 with bench.

It also had 3.55 SG gears.

Hamtramck historical data scans show A/C as "N/A" with "performance axle package", which would have been the 3.55's.
Could that have been a common "fudge", or were all A/C cars build with 3.23 max gears, and mine got changed out later as well?
The patina on the chunk I took out to replace the pinion seal sure did match the rest of the axle and underside.
Of course that was 20 years later in 1990.

- - - Updated - - -

...nice car. I'd love to have another one!

 

[69Coronetrt]

Hamtramck historical data scans show A/C as "N/A" with "performance axle package", which would have been the 3.55's.
Could that have been a common "fudge", or were all A/C cars build with 3.23 max gears, and mine got changed out later as well?

For some reason, the 70 Dodge data book seems to have a lot of typos and wrong info. That is one of them. A/C (H51) was available with the 3.55 gears (A36). What you had was certainly not common but was available.