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383 rebuild

moweepea

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I'm geting ready to pull my 383 engine out of my 63 Plymouth for a rebuild, and a friend of mine told me I should get a 440 crank and rods to boost the cubic inches. I'm ok with that, but will it work?? And what purpose other than increasing the cubic inches will it do??
 
It depends on what you are trying to accomplish with your car.

If performance is important, I would spend a few bucks more and get the 440 Source 383 to 496 stroker kit. In fact it may cost less than the modifications to a 440 crank, new pistons, etc.

If you just want a driver, rebuilding the 383 will be "slightly" cheaper, but the performance differential between the 383 and the stroker is so radically different, that there is no good reason not to do it, even if it's a couple hundred bucks more.

I'm just guessing, but I would be willing to bet that the stroker kit will be less cost than trying to use the antiquated "440 crank in a B engine" method, and I guarantee it will be far more powerful.

Check into it at least.
 
I'll agree with q-ship. Adding extra cubes - if it doesn't break the bank - is not a bad idea if it's performance you are looking for - plus you get to be really sneaky! If you just need to get down the road then build the 383 stock. I have not researched the cost comparison myself but was thinking along those lines with my 68 383. One thing I would recommend, if it's possible, is to use the 440 rods with the 3.75" crank. That way the rod to stroke ratio is exactly like a 440.
 
A 440 crank and rods in a 383 will give you 426cubes......at least that part of the equasion sounds good,even if the cost doesn't?
Although,you could run any rod length and a piston to suit...dependant upon your prefered rod ratio....the longer the rod the better the ratio and less chance of throwing a leg out of bed.
 
I thought a 440 crank in a 383 would come out to a 431, maybe thats bored 60 over, and a 400 with a 440 crank would be a 451. I could be wrong, I have been reading up on it cause i have 63 Polara with the factory 383 that i want to someday put back in there. I read somewhere on the 440 crank being used on price and it didnt seem that bad as far as I could remember.
 
A 4.25" bore and a 3.75" stroke is 426 cubes. .030" over makes it a 431. A 400 has a 4.34" bore STD and comes out to 451 with the 440 crank.
 
Personally I wouldn't worry about stroking it unless you are planning on building a drag car. I rebuilt the 383 in my RR this year and it pulls hard! I used KB400 pistons with 440 Source Stealth heads, Lunati Voodoo cam with a Torker intake and Holley 830. I also put in a TCI 3000 converter and 3.91 gears. Very fun street car. Runs on pump gas, very dependable, brings a grin to my face every time I stomp on the GO pedal!
 
Personally I wouldn't worry about stroking it unless you are planning on building a drag car. I rebuilt the 383 in my RR this year and it pulls hard! I used KB400 pistons with 440 Source Stealth heads, Lunati Voodoo cam with a Torker intake and Holley 830. I also put in a TCI 3000 converter and 3.91 gears. Very fun street car. Runs on pump gas, very dependable, brings a grin to my face every time I stomp on the GO pedal!

Though the OP hasn't said what his plans/use of his car is, your method certainly does work, but is far less than ideal with the parts available today.

I love "old school", but lets break this down.

KB400 pistons. --- About $350.00 bucks, and Hyperutectic instead of forged, plus they are domed, which is an impediment to flame travel. Much worse is the fact that they use the ancient 5/64th's rings which increase friction and bore wear. --- I personally love hyper pistons for the street, but I only use the Speed Pro units with 1/16" rings, no huge top ring gap, and much better ring selections. I personally won't use Hypers for a performance build as they won't tolerate detonation very well, and your build is certainly high performance.

440 source stealth heads. --- About $1050.00 w/shipping. Great heads, but the larger valves are not conducive to low RPM torque. Still need "going through at additional cost" (as does any part), and unless you are running a solid lifter, with upgraded (cam killing) springs, at 7000+ RPM; will never outperform stock heads on a 383. Just a matter of physics, not opinion.

Lunati cams work well, but require 3 bolt cam drive "chain/gear" sets at additional cost. Fine for the heavy spring, 7500 RPM engine, but a waste of money on a street/strip car.

Torker intake. --- A super torque killer on a 383. not a bad manifold, but definitely not ideal compared to newer designs, or even the old street dominator.

I have never used a Holley 830, so I can't comment on it.

TCI "3000 RPM" converter, and 3.91 gears. --- I'm just guessing, but I bet the cost of upgrading to both these is at least $700.00 to 850.00+. Certainly necessary for your build, but totally unnecessary for a high torque, long stroke, engine. And if you get 8 to 9 MPG, I would be surprised.

Then you have the cost of balancing, rings, bearings, machining of the crank/rods, etc; that adds a few hundred $ on top.

Now lets look at a "49x stroker kit for the 383 block.

Forged pistons w "1/16 rings, good molly rings included. 4340 steel crank with full radius filets for much higher strength. 4340 rods w/ARP bolts and full floating pins. Bearings and balancing included, etc.

You gain 200+- Ft. Lbs. of torque with the stock converter and gears. At least the same amount of HP at a much, much lower RPM. Ability to use a less radical cam w/stock heads, and 14+ MPG.

Since block machining and parts checking is the same for either approach to a build, lets assume that it's a wash.

The high RPM 383 will run you about $700.00 more (at minimum) to the far more powerful, and tractable/streetable "49x engine. Plus with the stroked 383, you can still drive it on vacation at highway speeds. Something that can not be done with the "high strung" 383.

The facts show that there is NO good reason to do the 383 instead of the stroker. With the stroker, you will save money, have a much more powerful car that is street drivable, substantially more fuel efficient, and have a much longer life span. ---- At a much reduced cost.

I applaud your "old school" approach to your build, but it is definitely not the best or cheapest way to go nowadays.
 
Though the OP hasn't said what his plans/use of his car is, your method certainly does work, but is far less than ideal with the parts available today.

I love "old school", but lets break this down.

KB400 pistons. --- About $350.00 bucks, and Hyperutectic instead of forged, plus they are domed, which is an impediment to flame travel. Much worse is the fact that they use the ancient 5/64th's rings which increase friction and bore wear. --- I personally love hyper pistons for the street, but I only use the Speed Pro units with 1/16" rings, no huge top ring gap, and much better ring selections. I personally won't use Hypers for a performance build as they won't tolerate detonation very well, and your build is certainly high performance.

Without having custom pistons made I could not find pistons that would give a 383 10.5:1 compression with 80cc heads. Also my brother manages an auto parts store so I got them CHEAP.

440 source stealth heads. --- About $1050.00 w/shipping. Great heads, but the larger valves are not conducive to low RPM torque. Still need "going through at additional cost" (as does any part), and unless you are running a solid lifter, with upgraded (cam killing) springs, at 7000+ RPM; will never outperform stock heads on a 383. Just a matter of physics, not opinion.

The heads were a tough choice for me...but I would have $800 into having the stock heads rebuilt. Besides the fact that the aluminum heads allow for a higher compression ratio and are lighter. It made sense to me to spend a couple hundred extra and buy the Stealths instead of running my 42 year old stockers



Lunati cams work well, but require 3 bolt cam drive "chain/gear" sets at additional cost. Fine for the heavy spring, 7500 RPM engine, but a waste of money on a street/strip car.

No idea what you are talking about here. This is a hydraulic cam. I needed a new chain / gear set anyways...so it was no big deal to buy the 3 bolt. I bought this cam from my brother used with about 10 passes on it for less than 1/2 price. It was a no brainer to run it. He went to a 499 stroker so is running a solid roller. He loved this cam.

Torker intake. --- A super torque killer on a 383. not a bad manifold, but definitely not ideal compared to newer designs, or even the old street dominator.

Read the Hot Rod magazine 383 intake comparo. The Torker was #1 HP producer. Didn't really give up much on the low end either. Also another item I bought at 1/4 of the price...so kind of a no brainer for me.

I have never used a Holley 830, so I can't comment on it.

TCI "3000 RPM" converter, and 3.91 gears. --- I'm just guessing, but I bet the cost of upgrading to both these is at least $700.00 to 850.00+. Certainly necessary for your build, but totally unnecessary for a high torque, long stroke, engine. And if you get 8 to 9 MPG, I would be surprised.

I bought the converter used off ebay. Less than 1/2 price. I bought the gears from a buddy and I have another friend that sets up rear ends so he put it together for free. Total cost on these: $350. (with bearing / rebuild kit for the rear end)


Then you have the cost of balancing, rings, bearings, machining of the crank/rods, etc; that adds a few hundred $ on top.

Now lets look at a "49x stroker kit for the 383 block.

Forged pistons w "1/16 rings, good molly rings included. 4340 steel crank with full radius filets for much higher strength. 4340 rods w/ARP bolts and full floating pins. Bearings and balancing included, etc.

You gain 200+- Ft. Lbs. of torque with the stock converter and gears. At least the same amount of HP at a much, much lower RPM. Ability to use a less radical cam w/stock heads, and 14+ MPG.

Since block machining and parts checking is the same for either approach to a build, lets assume that it's a wash.

The high RPM 383 will run you about $700.00 more (at minimum) to the far more powerful, and tractable/streetable "49x engine. Plus with the stroked 383, you can still drive it on vacation at highway speeds. Something that can not be done with the "high strung" 383.

The facts show that there is NO good reason to do the 383 instead of the stroker. With the stroker, you will save money, have a much more powerful car that is street drivable, substantially more fuel efficient, and have a much longer life span. ---- At a much reduced cost.

I applaud your "old school" approach to your build, but it is definitely not the best or cheapest way to go nowadays.

I'm not saying that this is the best build ever. But I am on a shoe sting budget. I put together a strong runner for cheap. Thanks for your advice but I didn't have an unlimited budget. I was letting him know what I did. I wasn't bashing anyone. I am happy with the performance for the money I spent. Sorry I told anyone that I let him know what I did. I will keep it to myself from now on and go back to lurking. I guess I am a moron.
 
Also this parts store that my brother manages does machine work. (so I got it done pretty reasonable) He helped me assemble the engine so no labor cost there.
 
And I don't give a **** about the gas mileage. If I did I wouldn't drive a 68 Roadrunner and a Mega Cab Hemi!
 
1968 Roadrunner - Don't sweat it. There are many ways to skin a cat. Sounds like you did a fine job with your 383.
 
I had a 383 in my 68 RR back in the 80's and it ran 13.50's on street tires all day long - and I also ran a Torker with a 108 LC cam but with a 700 DP. All you need is a stock rebuild, put in a mild cam, pocket port the heads and go. Similar to 1968's build and it doesn't get much cheaper than that. My only suggestion is to use a smaller carb. 830 is a bit much for a 383 in my opinion. I'm only running a 750 on my 440 and it's quite happy. The benefit of a stroker - or more cubes - as far as I can see is you can do equally with less. Less compression. Less cam. Lower RPM.
 
I had a 383 in my 68 RR back in the 80's and it ran 13.50's on street tires all day long - and I also ran a Torker with a 108 LC cam but with a 700 DP. All you need is a stock rebuild, put in a mild cam, pocket port the heads and go. Similar to 1968's build and it doesn't get much cheaper than that. My only suggestion is to use a smaller carb. 830 is a bit much for a 383 in my opinion. I'm only running a 750 on my 440 and it's quite happy. The benefit of a stroker - or more cubes - as far as I can see is you can do equally with less. Less compression. Less cam. Lower RPM.
 
Thanks guys. I had a couple people tell me that an 830 carb would be too big and then they were some guys that said they ran 850's on milder 383s. All I know for sure is that it was a year old carb I bought for 1/2 price and seems to work good. I tried jetting it down and it got too lean so it is back at the "out of the box" jetting.
 
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