440 Source

[HYRDGOON]

I went with a FlowCooler pump on my last buld and used under driven pully's with an aluminume cross flow rad. Never had a cooling issue !

Good to know I have a Flowkooler waiting to go in my new build

 

[67Satty]

I don't have a dog in the 440Source water pump fight (I use a crusty iron housing from a junkyard) but here's what 440Source said about them on a recent Moparts thread FYI:

"This is 100% correct. We used to sell the CAT housings with the small ports, along with dozens of other vendors in the Mopar world who were CAT distributors. We sold several thousand of them. Some were made for us under contract with our logo, others were just the standard CAT brand directly from their warehouse which we relabeled (usually we did this when we were low on stock to avoid being out of stock, since the housings were identical except for the logo.)

For several years we used these housings on our own cars, on test stand engines and dyno engines and never had any problems with them. We had a handful of customers (maybe 12-15 total that I can remember off the top of my head) that had overheating problems. However, overheating problems can be tough to track down.

After the Moparts thread about the small ports came out, someone on here who actually had a water testing flow bench did test the housing and found that the small ports did not actually cause a restriction, and that they actually outflowed 90% of the high volume water pumps on the market. If I remember correctly, they tested a small port housing with a Milodon pump, an Edelbrock pump, and one of our pumps, and the small port housing outflowed all three pumps. I'm sure somebody can find the thread on here.

Between these test results, and the fact that the housings always worked perfectly well for us and for the vast majority of customers who used them, initially we didn't feel the small ports were a "defect." You can see proof of this in the threads about it, for every person who has a problem, several others report that they are running the housing and have been for years with no issues.

Regardless of this, we always try to improve anything we sell, and it was obvious some people didn't like the small ports. So we stopped carrying the CAT housings. We had our own tooling made with large ports (no small investment) and those are the newer ones we have been selling for the last several years.

In response to your request to return that housing you bought in 2006, unfortunately I do apologize but that's going to be a bit of a stretch. We do offer a full one year return period on everything we sell, which we feel is already pretty generous. It is four times as long as Summit's 90 day return policy, and 12 times as long as Indy Cylinder Head's 30 day return policy, just to name a couple of our competitors. But on something that was bought over 7 years ago, the company records are sealed and archived. That order won't even come up in our computer system anymore.

We do feel that any transactions between us and our customers should be fair on both sides. That means if a customer orders something and there's something they don't like about it, (as long as it's brand new and re-shelvable), we feel it is our responsibility as a vendor to allow them to return it. In fact, as long as the customer exchanges it for something else or takes store credit, we will even waive any kind of restocking fee, and give them 100% credit back.

However on the other side of the coin, to be fair to us, the customer likewise also has a responsibility to do this within a reasonable amount of time. To expect us to take something back after more than 7 years later because you suddenly found something you didn't like about it isn't fair to us. You implied in your post that you would consider it poor customer service if we would not return the housing, but I hope you can understand our position on this. We do appreciate your business, and 2014 marks over a decade that we've been in business selling nothing but Big Block Mopar parts. We didn't survive this long (and through the worst recession in 80 years) by being unfair to customers and selling inferior products. "

 

[wedge69]

Good to know> But when was that responce posted ?
Not bashing here just looking at all the info for my future buld.

 

[67Satty]

He posted that 1/21/14.

 

[Outlaw525]

I built a 470 based on a 400 block using one of their kits with Stealth heads. Internal parts were nice quality and everything measured out perfect. The heads had a little casting flash in the ports but were actually cleaner than my MP Eddy aluminum hemi heads. I have also used some of their other parts on engines, windage trays, etc. Overall, I have been satisfied with their product and their customer service on the phone has been very good.

 

[67 coronet]

i think ,as with most larger companys,you are gonna find opinions on both sides.the less pleased individuals tend to yell lowder i have found.i have used there products many times and have had no problems.even had to call into cust service a couple times and was treated well,so no complaints here.

 

[HYRDGOON]

All I know is I wish more places would get on the discount code train like Year One, PG and a few other because DAMN it can really make a difference when your shopping list starts to grow!

And the other thing that pisses me off about 440 Source

Billet Aluminum "V-Groove" Water Pump Pulley - Single Groove

Shown here is our billet aluminum single groove water pump pulley. Machined from a solid piece of billet aluminum, you can't beat these for a great combination of performance, durability and good looks. And, of course we've got 'em at a price that can't be beat. Use this single groove water pump pulley with NON air conditioning, NON power steering setups. Don't forget our 109-1518 bolt kit, it is REQUIRED for use with this pulley. PLEASE NOTE: Because of the extra thickness required with a pulley made of billet aluminum, the rear edge of this pulley comes very close to the bolts which hold the water pump to the housing. In some cases, depending on the thickness of the mounting flange of the specific water pump you are using, our 127-1003 water pump pulley spacer may be necessary to give the tiny extra amount of clearance which may be required.

In Stock

Go to look for the REQUIRED 109-1518 bolt kit and it is no longer on the site

I had a similar issue with them not stocking one of the serpentine pulley's anymore!

 

[HT413]

I'm running their water pump (that i think I bought from propwash?). Works great. The waterpump housing issue was an old one with a prior casting. Everything I've read in the past couple of years is ok.

Regarding Chinese made stuff, well, seems that's not really what the OP is asking, so I'll leave it at that.

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I also have their timing chain kit and though I haven't run it yet, it looks like a VERY high quality piece.

 

[Propwash]

I'm running their water pump (that i think I bought from propwash?). Works great.

Oh Yeah...forgot all about that. Explains why I spent 20 minutes digging through parts trying to find it a few weeks ago...lol! Blamed the wife for moving a few shelves full of parts a couple nights beforehand. Oopps, didn't hear that here :hide:

 

[BeastlyBirdie]

Beating on their 500 stroker kit every weekend. No problems yet. Whats american made anymore? Please tell.

As for American made parts:edlebrock, JE pistons/rings, SRP. Several others. I've used 440 source heads, as I got a screaming deal. Sold the valves and springs, did a real valve job on them, and ported them. My machine work is free, so, parts alone I was in at $300 + the heads, I'd figure even buying the heads and having all that done you're better off just buying edlebrock to begin with...

 

[Albert Spangler]

The only thing I have bought from 440 Source was a pair of big block pickup motor mounts. They were exactly what I was looking for and the customer service was great. No matter what company you deal with, you are going to have good and bad experiences. I have never had any luck buying mopar stuff from Summit. I actually had one $800 order that had every single part wrong. I've had great luck with the stuff I get from them on Chevy projects.

 

[bobtile]

I've got the entire front end kit for my 440 build of which I used the P/S pump, the pulley, brackets and bolts. They also give you belts, but I did a search on the brand and they're Mexican made belts with some bad results, so I opted for Gates belts instead. I had my own Powermaster alternator so I used that instead of the 440 Source alt.

Oh yea, I also got my pistons from them and stamped inside is "Ross" so assuming they're Ross pistons.[/QUOT

I got the alternator from them. It is internally regulated denso that was reconditioned. I believe it is from a Nissan pathfinder. I have had it for about three years and no problem. Also bought stealth heads from them. At the advice of my machinist, I changed the springs, locks and keepers. I have beat the hell out of the heads for over a year, both on the street and at the track with no problems. I feel with the more time that they are around, the better their products become..

 

[HT413]

No matter what they do, 440source will be a love hate type of place.

 

[bigmanjbmopar]

Look at my pictures, that water pump and housing were bought in 2011 and are on the car now, she runs cool at 180 all day maybe 210 in traffic, on one extremely hot day I got stuck in traffic and it ran up to 225 for about 15 min until I could inch off the freeway then cooled down within 5 mins.

The billet pulleys look good and yes you have to get different bolts for the waterpump pulley......uh shoot guess they must suck real bad as a company they made me go get 4 different bolts for $1.19 bastards!

Personally I'm sick of the chinese crap, it's so hypocritical to say that. and for over a year now I have been running my "chinese cast aluminum heads" (fitted and checked by "Americans" at 440source before sold to me) lmao with nothing but good times OTB. Just went to check on my solid rollers last weekend and only one of them needed adjustment of 1 thousandth lol

Also they did me a favor as well by refunding me $50 for a dual pulley I bought then changed my mind. So yes I think it's all about the attitude. One thing I did not like was the anodized valley pan, that dam thing leaked like a sob no matter what I did, had to rip that stupid thing off and stick with a stock one.

 

[BumperMan]

Thanks guys for all your input, now it's time to order some parts except the water pump and get my motor back together.

As Elvis always said, thank ya; thank ya very much

 

[HYRDGOON]

Look at my pictures, that water pump and housing were bought in 2011 and are on the car now, she runs cool at 180 all day maybe 210 in traffic, on one extremely hot day I got stuck in traffic and it ran up to 225 for about 15 min until I could inch off the freeway then cooled down within 5 mins.

The billet pulleys look good and yes you have to get different bolts for the waterpump pulley......uh shoot guess they must suck real bad as a company they made me go get 4 different bolts for $1.19 bastards!

Personally I'm sick of the chinese crap, it's so hypocritical to say that. and for over a year now I have been running my "chinese cast aluminum heads" (fitted and checked by "Americans" at 440source before sold to me) lmao with nothing but good times OTB. Just went to check on my solid rollers last weekend and only one of them needed adjustment of 1 thousandth lol

Also they did me a favor as well by refunding me $50 for a dual pulley I bought then changed my mind. So yes I think it's all about the attitude. One thing I did not like was the anodized valley pan, that dam thing leaked like a sob no matter what I did, had to rip that stupid thing off and stick with a stock one.

I see no problem with having to source the bolts yourself I just think it's stupid when they list a "required" bolt kit with a part # and then no longer stock it... it's a $8 item it's not like it's eating up profits being on the shelf!

 

[67 coronet]

I see no problem with having to source the bolts yourself I just think it's stupid when they list a "required" bolt kit with a part # and then no longer stock it... it's a $8 item it's not like it's eating up profits being on the shelf!

sounds simple,but there supplier could have dissappeared.happens a lot in this industry,speaking from experience.

 

[67Satty]

I think that's one thing people don't give 440Source credit for - organizing all these different suppliers of parts for our big block Mopars into one easy place. Remember how hard it used to be to scrounge up a set of single groove big block pulleys?

 

[HYRDGOON]

Well before I do any more griping and complaining about it I'm going to shoot them an email or give them a call and see what the story is.... A set of bolts isn't going to stop me from ordering their pulley's I just find it frustrating because when I was looking at their serpentine pulley's (which I'm not going with anyways) I found out they discontinued 1 of the 3 pulleys

I appreciate that keeping suppliers can be tough but inconsistency can be a business killer... For a matter of a few bolts if I were the supplier I would be going to the trouble of sourcing them from a "nut & bolt" specialty store in the interim and shipping them free with the pulley's until they are offered again... we all know cost on that would be minimal and when it comes to people like me waiting to pull the trigger on a $300 order because of a few bolts it becomes smart business

 

[snakeoil24]

Got a ton of stuff from them, all good. One thing I learned fast was to order as much as you know you want at one time, the shipping will get you if you make multiple orders all the time lol

Why do you have an American Flag stuck in a part made in China?