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509 cam

It is the overlap that gives the choppy idle. The overlap is a combination of LSA + duration.

The Crane cam # 114102 for a SB Chev that has 244/254 adv duration has a smooth idle; it is ground on a 104 LSA.
 
Hey, I left my 572 "70% street/30% strip" cam specs up to my Mopar centric engine builder to decide. Solid roller, and Michael at B3 Racing Engines is providing the T&D 1.6 ratio rocker arms and valvetrain geometry correction kit. I really love the sound of my current cam (292°/.509) not sure of the LSA on the Purple Stripe in my 440, but I LOVE the sound at idle. I'm thinking this one should sound pretty good too??:
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Hey, I left my 572 "70% street/30% strip" cam specs up to my Mopar centric engine builder to decide. Solid roller, and Michael at B3 Racing Engines is providing the T&D 1.6 ratio rocker arms and valvetrain geometry correction kit. I really love the sound of my current cam (292°/.509) not sure of the LSA on the Purple Stripe in my 440, but I LOVE the sound at idle. I'm thinking this one should sound pretty good too??:
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w/1.6:1 rockers
0.427" cam/lift = 0.683" gross valve lift intake (not including deduction of the lash)
w/1.6:1
0.430 cam/lift + 0.688 gvl exhaust
291* adv. intake
& 301* adv. exhaust duration
should be/have a lil' bit of the ol';
bucket tee' bucket tee' bucket tee' bucket tee' bucket tee'
choppy-sounding camshaft at about 1000-ish (min.) rpm idle

roller cams 'sometimes'
(usually in my vast experience)
tame down the choppy 'idle tone' too
(sounds like it's a bit faster between 'bucket tees' if that makes sense)
more-tame sounds, at the same spec
(but way better cam)
than an old design like the Racer Brown 292*
or MP/DC Purple Shaft .509"/292*
Hydraulic Purple shaft FT/solid or Hyd. cam would...
I had a few of them back in the day, street cars...
Loved the sound :thumbsup: , not the best cam though...

should sound nice

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funny story, well sort of
I had great luck with an old 'Norris' cam HFT
(don't quote me on spec.s)
it was a raspy-sounding SOB
0.318" cam lift = .477" lift @ 1.5:1 (both in. & ext.)
but I used 1.6:1 Harlan Sharp rockers
0.318 x 1.6:1 = 0.508" gross valve lift
it was like 302* adv. duration IIRC (both int. & ext.)
don't remember overlap or center lines
I want to say it was installed at 0* advance,
cam had like 2* adv. ground into it
it was somewhere like 106* -107* -108* (?)
it shouldn't have made the power it did
with a RB 440/474 cid (IIRC), very early stroker combo
homeported & gasket matched 906's, CM retainers & keepers etc.
IIRC stock valves
(may have had stainless Manley intakes 2.08")
like 0.100" overbore for RB 4.42 (bore) some Veniolia
460 ford pistons, which had the correct comp. height/long rod
don't remember which now, Childs & Albert rods/bearings
(not many people were doing MoPar strokers in 1979-ish)
IIRC 3.90" stroke
(offset ground 0.200" w/SBC 2" rod, from a 3.75" 440 crank)
2x4bbl low/inline Offy 413/426 intake = 'I know, I know'
(it fit under the Chargers hood)
Holley 660 center squirter/tunnel ram carbs 2x4bbls combo
same car different cam, ran a full 2 tenths better in 1/8 mile
(than the Racer Brown 292*, I was shocked, it was a through-it-together deal)
I had 5.13:1 gears
(from when I had a 318 in the car, that beat the crap out of a bunch of BB people
with that lil' teen, between BB builds
)
with N50/15 (27"-ish)
B&M Super Holeshot 3500 stall, 727 with a shift kit, ratchet shifter wah hoo :poke:
ran solidly/consistently
in the low-mid 12's 1/4, street tires & 2.5" thru mufflers old
Thrush 'Hemi Turbo Mufflers'/junk
I wish I knew then what I know today
(can't remember mph offhand, not good, I want to say like 105-106 maybe)
way too much gear, spent about 1,000 ft, 6,800-7,000 rpm
could hardly drive it on the hwy like 4,000rpm going 55-60 max
I didn't know any better, I was young dumb & full of ----
it was more of a stoplight warrior,
did very well street racing in a heavy car,
get them by a few cars in the 1st 300ft
68 Charger R/T 3,800#s
Anyway it way outperformed the Racer Brown (MoPar spec.) 292* camshaft
(not the best cam either, but it was "the cam of the day")
when I put 4.30:1 gears in it, same all the other stuff,
it dipped into the 11's barely, crossing at 6,800 (?IIRC)
112-ish IIRC


it really shouldn't have been as fast as it was

anyway back to the OPs thread sorry
 
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should be/have a lil' bit of the ol';
bucket tee' bucket tee' bucket tee' bucket tee' bucket tee'
choppy-sounding camshaft at about 1000-ish (min.) rpm idle
That works! I have my current engine idle around 900-950 when it cooperates. Sometimes it idles a little higher than I'd like, but I haven't figured out why.
Anyway, I'm going to use the Progression Ignition in the new engine, and that is going to give me the ultimate control over any vacuum advance capable distributor on earth.
Thanks.
 
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