69 383 HP carb

[PDFROGMAN]

which carb is correct for a 69 383 HP "H" code in Vin
I have both a carter AVS and a holley.
I took the manifold off an original 383 charger and the holley was on it

 

[cudamark]

The '69 Charger 383HP should have a Carter AVS on it.....either manual or automatic. The regular horsepower 383 came with a Holley on the automatic and a Carter AVS on the manual trans.

 

[rrunner]

Carter AVS. Carb # for a man trans will be 4615 and 4616 for a auto

 

[PDFROGMAN]

thanks guys

 

[69Coronetrt]

which carb is correct for a 69 383 HP "H" code in Vin

It depends on the model, transmission the car came with and whether it had A/C or not.

An "H" in a 69 B body VIN only tells you that it came with a 383-4bbl. It does not tell you which engine, 330 or 335 horse, it came with. Other factors are needed to determine the actual engine assembly including the carb.

So what what specific car are we talking about?

 

[70WM21 W1 V6B]

which carb is correct for a 69 383 HP "H" code in Vin
I have both a carter AVS and a holley.
I took the manifold off an original 383 charger and the holley was on it

The Holley on the "original 383 Charger manifold" is correct. I also had an original 383 HP Charger SE Orange painted HP 383 Loaded with AC all original and it had a Holley on it. Also had a 69 Charger parts car with a 383 HP Orange also having a factory Holley. If you have the broadcast sheet you can ID which one, Carter or Holley it had. Both would be correct for 69, it boils down to exactly what came on your specific car.

 

[PDFROGMAN]

bought this car mid restoration unfortunately no build sheet or fender tag :sad:
it''s numbers matching except for the trans (although it's the correct date code and part # for a 69)

the previous owner was going to use this car to clone a RR convertible , motor was rebuilt and he put a 509 purple shaft but was never run, cam is coming out and the stock original is going back. in fact I am going to go through the motor before I drop it in the car
it's an auto car no A/C power steering power drum brakes, light package, clock in dash, 26" radiator, front sway bar, 3:23 sure grip
I would love to find more info on the car

 

[70WM21 W1 V6B]

I will say that I have only ever seen the Holleys on 69 Chargers, I have never seen a 69 RR or Bee with a Holley. And then in 70 they began using Holleys on the 383 HP's

 

[69Coronetrt]

The Holley on the "original 383 Charger manifold" is correct. I also had an original 383 HP Charger SE Orange painted HP 383 Loaded with AC all original and it had a Holley on it. Also had a 69 Charger parts car with a 383 HP Orange also having a factory Holley. If you have the broadcast sheet you can ID which one, Carter or Holley it had. Both would be correct for 69, it boils down to exactly what came on your specific car.

Orange and A/C? Which engine assembly was that? A/C cars came with 330 horse turquoise engines. There wasn't a 335 horse A/C assembly in '69.

69 Orange with Holley? What assembly was that?

it boils down to exactly what came on your specific car.

That's my point. What specific carb came on the car was dictated by the transmission and whether or not the car had A/C.

 

[69Coronetrt]

I will say that I have only ever seen the Holleys on 69 Chargers, I have never seen a 69 RR or Bee with a Holley. And then in 70 they began using Holleys on the 383 HP's

A 69 B body with 383 and:

Manual tranny and A/C (SB, RR and Charger 897 330 horse turquoise engine assembly) will have a 4711 Carter.

Auto tranny with A/C (899 330 horse turquoise engine assembly) will have a R4440 Holley but I did find a late built 899 assembly in a Charger that has a 4638 Carter.

Auto tranny no A/C (Chargers, Coronets and Belvedere 900 330 horse turquoise engine assembly) also a R4440 Holley

Manual tranny no A/C (Charger, RR, SB 925 335 horse orange engine assembly) 4615 Carter

Auto trany no A/C (RR, SB 926 335 horse orange assembly) 4682 Carter

 

[70WM21 W1 V6B]

That particular 69 Charger SE had an Orange 383 HP A/C Auto PW PDB PS AM-FM 3.23 posi and was F8 green with black interior Black Vinyl Top and had a factory Holley on it, it was a 1 owner numbers matching car.(the 383 was later pulled and a 440+6/727 installed(removed the A/C) & 410 Dana 60(from a 70 GTX).

The White 69 Charger Parts car(sideswiped total) also had an orange 383 HP Auto. with a Holley, I do not recall if it had air.

I myself thought it was odd at the time, but then again I have learned to never say never with Mopar production inconsistency or why. As for its production being early or late I do not recall. I am only sharing with you what I saw and had worked on(late 70's), I have pictures of both cars(maybe VIN Info) here somewhere.

One outstanding particular case and point of Chrysler Production Quality Control was, while working at Frederick Dodge when the 76 Aspen/Volare line came out, we, as well as one other local dealer received a couple new 76 Aspen Coupes with "Volare" badges and Complete Volare side trim. One even had one side Volare Trim and the other side was Aspen. Human error is always a factor.

 

[PDFROGMAN]

my 70 roadrunner( which I recently sold) was an original numbers matching 38K miles car survivor (I also new the original owner) had an orange 383 with a holley. there were people who argued with me that the carb wasn't original.

I worked for Neptune Dodge in Brooklyn NY form 79-81 and saw my fair share
of factory screw ups

I wish I had a build sheet with this car

 

[moparstuart]

my 70 roadrunner( which I recently sold) was an original numbers matching 38K miles car survivor (I also new the original owner) had an orange 383 with a holley. there were people who argued with me that the carb wasn't original.

I worked for Neptune Dodge in Brooklyn NY form 79-81 and saw my fair share
of factory screw ups

I wish I had a build sheet with this car

70 383 's had holleys

 

[69Coronetrt]

my 70 roadrunner( which I recently sold) was an original numbers matching 38K miles car survivor (I also new the original owner) had an orange 383 with a holley. there were people who argued with me that the carb wasn't original.

70 carb applications were totally different than 69's. You have to take into account N96 and ECS applications too.

 

[69Coronetrt]

That particular 69 Charger SE had an Orange 383 HP A/C Auto....

The White 69 Charger Parts car(sideswiped total) also had an orange 383 HP Auto. with a Holley, I do not recall if it had air.

That very well may be but there was no orange 335 A/C engine assembly in
'69 to even put in the car so something was not original. For 69; A/C = 330 horse. 1969 Chargers with Automatics did not get the orange 335 horse assembly.

 

[70WM21 W1 V6B]

 

[PDFROGMAN]

cleaning up my desk I found my 1969 parts catalog on CD rom
it seems the carb I had just put up for sale is the correct carb for my 69 rag top 383

the attached pic of the page also shows that holleys were used on 383

Now I dont know how to read the codes to the right of the parts listing so if anyone can chime in

I might be wrong but I'm assuming that the letters refer to the first didgit of the VIN

 

[69Coronetrt]

the attached pic of the page also shows that holleys were used on 383

I might be wrong but I'm assuming that the letters refer to the first didgit of the VIN

Holleys were used on 383-4bbl cars....the 330 horse version with or without A/C.

Carters were used on the 335 version.

What your chart does not do is distinguish between the 335 and 330 horse versions nor indicate A/C or not.

Yes, the letter on the left refers to the model line designation (L=Dart, R=Belevdere, W=Coronet, etc)

 

[PDFROGMAN]

thats the actual dealer parts catalog
gonna try and get over to my cousins dealership and ask one of the guys in parts dept about it

 

[696pack]

thats the actual dealer parts catalog
gonna try and get over to my cousins dealership and ask one of the guys in parts dept about it

Trust Doug aka 69Coronetrt.

What he is telling you is absolutely true. Many people don't know that when you ordered A/C in a Super Bee or RR in 68-70 they got the 330 h.p. engine rather than the 335 h.p. magnum engine. They were identified by their color difference.