70 Mr Norm's Super Bee Is this a good deal?

[donaz]

Looking for a nice B-body and found a 70 Super Bee with a bill of sale from Grand Spaulding Dodge.
2dr ht 383 4 speed air grabber buckets, Originally black/black now Lemon Twist/black. A five year old nut and bolt restoration needs nothing. a #2- car numbers match. Guy wants $33,500. I think that is high for a 383 with a color change but does the Grand Spaulding docs offset that? Like to hear your comments

 

[Mr.SpeedFreak]

Just in my opinion, I would say that's maybe on the high ish side but without pics it's hard to say. And obviously a color change would cost a good amount of change to correct if you wanted to.

Also hard to say how much value the Mr. Norm docs add, I think the saying "it's only worth what someone wants to pay" applies here. It'd be pretty damn cool to have a black on black 'Bee from Grand Spaulding, but how much is that cool factor worth to you?

 

[tallhair]

can you share some photo's esp under hood, interior and underside/suspension etc?

If it's show car ready and has the pedigree you're talking about i'd say it's in the ball park depending on options but not overpriced. It all depends on the finish and overall appearance. That can affect price radically. 2 peoples #2 are not necessarily the same thing.

Assume the title and fender tag etc are in order. Most people interested in that history would prefer the original black since black is pretty desirable, esp if triple black and was the original color.

Can you show fender tag options?

What color is the interior?

Both of your posts asking the same questions appear in the "new posts" area so you don't need to post any more threads up. http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/search.php?searchid=884666

head over to the welcome wagon and introduce yourself.

 

[Mr.SpeedFreak]

Agreed with Mr. 'Hair on the ballpark, and this thread needs some pics!

 

[snakeyes]

:worthless_thread:

 

[donaz]

Sorry about the double posting. Original thread got moved with only one responce. Just looking for more input. Thanks for helping out

 

[tallhair]

Are you able to see, drive, and inspect before delivery? I'd want to see the underneath and look for repairs, rust, bubbling, quality of paint, and under the trunk mat, etc. What you have looks pretty nice and would look pretty show worthy with a little cleaning and detailing.

I doubt the color change will hurt the value much may reduce buyer pool though if you decide to sell. I'd also ask for receipts and who did the engine, mechanical etc. Good luck with it. Very nice looking car.

Your thread was moved but it's still view able and has more reponses http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/mopar...Norm-s-SuperBee-found-one-Is-this-a-good-deal

 

[Budnicks]

On especially Mopar's, a color change will hurt resale/collector value {we are an overly **** bunch...LOL}, maybe by as much as 25% IMHFO... Also it won't match the fender tag or build sheet, the Mopar Purist will not want to pay full price... I wonder why they didn't go back to Black on Black ??, it's pretty hard to beat that color combo, for resale interest... It would cost $20k-$30k to do a full-on restoration, so the price isn't way out there, but probably too high thou, no matter if it was a 440 4bbl or a 383 4bbl car, the kicker maybe the Grand Spalding Dodge/Mr. Norm possible connection, that name/dealership has some great history, it may aid in a slightly higher collector car value, for someone that want's that provenance/bragging rights at car shows etc... But if it wasn't a special car, not some well optioned rare example, 1 of 10 or lower, Being a base 383ci engine {nothing wrong with a 383 car}, it will be an insignificant increase, in it's collector car value probably...

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Sorry about the double posting. Original thread got moved with only one responce. Just looking for more input. Thanks for helping out

Welcome to FBBO...

 

[Moparsmitty]

I agree with Tallhair that $33,500 seems a bit high for this car, but that said, if this is the exact car somebody is looking for they might pay close to that for it. The car looks pretty good in the photos and if it's fairly rust free and runs and drives good I might throw 25K at them and see what happens. I don't think the Grand Spaulding connection is worth much on this particular car but that's JMHO.

 

[snakeyes]

 

[tallhair]

Thanks snakeyes

 

[Basket case]

price other '70s equiped the same with out the GSD papers.

 

[Richard Cranium]

Looks pretty clean, but what's going on with the lower dash pad to the left of the steering column?

 

[tallhair]

My guess is mold from sitting in hot and cold cycles for a while with damp factoring in somewhere but it looks like it's down sought somewhere now. Probably will clean up but maybe not perfectly.

 

[Dennis H]

I like it. I'd look at it in person and make an offer. Don't think the price is too high if it was a true nut bolt, find out by WHO.

 

[satman72]

Remember, just because it was sold by GSD doesn't make it à Mr Norm's car.

 

[Lowhound]

I have always heard that changing a cars color hurts its value but are there any instances where changing the color would improve the resale value? For example if you had an undesireable factory color & changed it to a more popular color could it actually help the value? Or is it just a matter of opinion?

 

[tallhair]

I have always heard that changing a cars color hurts its value but are there any instances where changing the color would improve the resale value? For example if you had an undesireable factory color & changed it to a more popular color could it actually help the value? Or is it just a matter of opinion?

Yes I would say changing to a more desirable color as long as the finished product looks great my increase the buyer pool. In this case black was probably the more desirable color although Yellow is not un-desirable there are probably less people who want a yellow car, esp if orig was black. So it probably hurts it's potential value over what it might have been if black in this case.

I would say changing to a non-available color for that year or non-Mopar color would lower potential buyer pool on some cars but not all, and not necessarily effect the eventual sales price although those are probably linked in most cases. But that all just my thoughts. Overall look and execution of the whole car are what is most important IHMO.

A pro-touring car may well sell for more than resto type cars in stock or non-stock color. It's all about the finished product.

 

[67 B-body]

Myself,,,, I wouldn't add much to the value of the car just because it was sold from Grand Spaulding Dodge dealership....
It is certainly cool to talk about it to your friends, or perhaps printed on a show car poster board display,,,, But I feel it adds minimal cash value to the cars actual worth.
That being said,,,,, I think the 33,500 is a bit on the high side, but not by much! That car appears to be in pretty damn good shape (from what I can see in the photos), and I have seen similar cars sell in the high 20's......
If it is good and straight, no Bondo Bugggie ****, Good floors, good trunk, good lower quarter extensions, etc etc...... then it would fit the upper 20's realm.
If it has had a full once over like the golden rotisserie (http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/showthread.php?26040-The-Golden-Rotisserie-Chicken , Now your talking big bucks!!!!
BTW that car is for sale too!

 

[donaz]

thanks for all your input guys. really given me something to think about. I know that 30k is the bottom number, no less.
Again, there is no patches or bondo in the car, all original sheetmetal and the bottom is the original black.
Here's something new to consider. be in the car as is for 30 or spend 5k and put it back black. I'd pull all the sheetmetal and drivetrain and have it shot and reassemble it.