Another plane crash

[cr8crshr]

Comments from the armchair pilots are looking at several fan blades ingested during takeoff.

The door cam video showing the plane nose diving into the ground with the landing lights still on.

Well RC I am not an armchair pilot as it were but with my 34 years of military aviation with 10500 flying hours under my belt, and also being a licensed FAA Flight Dispatcher with an Airline Transport Pilot endorsement, I do know something about what happens during these critical phases of flight. If a turbine blade or a fan blade were to break off and then shatter the engine, that would lead to a sudden yaw of the aircraft, causing a loss of stable flight control which has been suggested by others. Plus at 1400 ft elevation, that isn't a very good altitude to attempt a recovery maneuver so in it went. And that was right after takeoff which again is one of the 2 critical phases of flight. The other is landing...cr8crshr/Bill

 

[moparedtn]

Well, it appears the "down in flames" theory is wrong after all:

 

[Richard Cranium]

It's amazing that only one person on the ground was killed.

 

[chargervert]

It's amazing that only one person on the ground was killed.

No doubt,after seeing that explosion,I was expecting to hear that there were many lives lost on the ground.

 

[68gtxman]

I can’t imagine that a Lear jet was being flown by a pilot who didn’t have an instrument rating, but maybe he/she did not have enough hours of experience in IMC (Instrument Meteorological Conditions) to rely solely on their instruments for navigation while in the fog. I know firsthand how disorienting a sudden loss of ground vision orientation can make a pilot lose all sense of up and down. Prayers sent to all injured people.

 

[chargervert]

So is it believed that the pilot thought he was climbing in altitude, when he was actually flying directly into the ground?

 

[68gtxman]

So is it believed that the pilot thought he was climbing in altitude, when he was actually flying directly into the ground?

No, that’s not how it works. You feel like you’re moving in directions that you aren’t, so you move the flight controls in the wrong direction(s).

 

[chargervert]

Total disorientation!

 

[moparedtn]

No, that’s not how it works. You feel like you’re moving in directions that you aren’t, so you move the flight controls in the wrong direction(s).

That is the theory running around what I've seen on updates so far, yes:

Spatial disorientation is the inability to determine position or relative motion, commonly occurring during
periods of challenging visibility, since vision is the dominant sense for orientation.

 

[cr8crshr]

Total disorientation!

Or Spatial Disorientation!!! It can be a common occurrence when it comes to flight...cr8crshr/Bill

 

[JackR]

That is the theory running around what I've seen on updates so far, yes:

Spatial disorientation is the inability to determine position or relative motion, commonly occurring during
periods of challenging visibility, since vision is the dominant sense for orientation.

Both pilots?

 

[Richard Cranium]

That is the theory running around what I've seen on updates so far, yes:

Spatial disorientation is the inability to determine position or relative motion, commonly occurring during
periods of challenging visibility, since vision is the dominant sense for orientation.

Believing what’s in your head and not your instruments tell you.

 

[moparedtn]

Or Spatial Disorientation!!! It can be a common occurrence when it comes to flight...cr8crshr/Bill

There's a wicked echo in here.

 

[moparedtn]

Both pilots?

I haven't read anything about both pilots, so I have no idea. Instead, the spatial thing is being bandied about
(my guess - in lieu of any sort of talk about the possibility of more nefarious actions).

 

[Dennis H]

This is 30 minutes about the DC crash. Worth the time. Can’t find that goddam thread.

 

[Richard Cranium]

New footage from different angles.

 

[QuickBpBp]

New footage from different angles.

Honestly you look at that and think how can this happen? Which then makes one think it was done deliberately...

 

[Dennis H]

There was an annual Recert on my old job. Train. While operating during this Recert, the worst Operator in the system was better than me due to seat time. Operator was not my position, but had to hold certification to Supervise. A good thing. She had 500 hours. Those in the know claim that is not a lot. Cause and human error needs to be identified. I don’t give a **** if a woman or not. She is not a Saint. Had her fingers in other stuff too good for her. My co workers over the years who were sucking around for promotion were NOT THE BEST among us. They were often in meetings or some such therefore missing out on valuable Field time. Many have their pictures on the wall. Of shame. Do your goddam job. Focus on your job, and maybe nobody gets hurt.

 

[SlinktRR]

How about we not jump to conclusions? They have to perform a full investigation as is done in any other aviation accident. They are still pulling bodies out of the Potomac for God's sake.

 

[68gtxman]

Both pilots?

One pilot is the PIC (pilot in command) and they make the decision on what to do. There have been cases when the PIC tried to push the nose down while the copilot was trying to pull the nose up. They fought each other all the way into the ground. That’s why the PIC and only the PIC should be the one operating the flight controls.