Boeing lost a $4.5B contract

[modernistsouth]

Know your history do you??

But conveniently left out the fact that Ford, Chase Bank, Standard Oil, and IBM ALL did business with the Nazis as well during the war.

You are correct, sort of. A lot of companies did business with the Nazi's before Pearl Harbor and the declaration of war. However, they usually did it through subsidiaries. IBM bought the German company Deutsche Hollerith Maschinen Groupe in 1923, long before the Nazi's. At the time they weren't even IBM, they were CTR. Like in the case of IBM, most lost control of those companies as the Nazi's seized their assets. The Nazi's took control of IBM after the bombing of Pearl Harbor. That's different than not joining NATO and having open agreements with a country that the rest of Europe embargoed. Funny these points are made by someone from Finland. Look, many still traded with the USSR to a degree. The US provided wheat. The USSR traded in hard currency because of the low value of the ruble, and often deals were hard to detect. But, while we're on the subject: I'm sure you know about the Agreement of Friendship, Cooperation, and Mutual Assistance signed with USSR in 1948, and the term Findlandization. Findland even practiced heavy censorship of the media to control anti-Soviet sentiment. No films were allowed to be seen that seemed even remotely anti-Soviet. Finland acted out of necessity to protect their sovereignty. I understand. Keep trying, guys. I'm full of history. I have a degree in it. Every country in the world has some history of shady dealings.

 

[ga66mopar]

I dislike our government about as much as Brazil. I cancelled my cell phone service with Verizon a few months ago because of them giving my information under the table to the government.

As far as the Nazi's are concerned I don't see any difference between them and what our government has turned into.

 

[Doright]

Planes Cars Politics and a History lesson too WOW! what a great Forum!!!!

But still I would like to know more about this.
"Ford, Chase Bank, Standard Oil, and IBM ALL did business with the Nazis as well during the war."

That would be pretty much UN-American at the time that's for sure, But today they just call it a Multinational corporation or MNC.
The Root cause of the death of this great nation WAS giving rights to corporations as if they were live entity's.


Can any one tell me WHY? GREEEEEED!
Because I can tell you what they have been doing for the last 40 years shipping all our Jobs to other country's! for CHEAP LABOR then shipping the goods right back here and sell there junk then because they operate outside of the country they pay LESS TAXES! than an American based and American owned corporation. MNC also allows for Foreigners to own and control 51% of any of these corporations. And what do they do with all the their moneys? well since they arnt paying for Pensions any more because they all filled bankruptcy to get out of paying for there promises for hard work and dedication they converted to MNC status allowing for foreign investment to invest heavily in American politics to influence our political leaders financially changing the business waters forever and a nation.

As long as this country allows corporations the same rights as people we the people are screwed.
As long as Corporations are allowed to give money to politicians we are all screwed period.
As far as politics goes as long as money is allowed to influence any one in government we will never have a real democratic democracy for the people by the people.

Its all to late too the end has already begun our country was stolen from us without a single shot being fired.
The Country I grew up in is already gone.

 

[modernistsouth]

Planes Cars Politics and a History lesson too WOW! what a great Forum!!!!

But still I would like to know more about this.
"Ford, Chase Bank, Standard Oil, and IBM ALL did business with the Nazis as well during the war."

That would be pretty much UN-American at the time that's for sure, But today they just call it a Multinational corporation or MNC.
The Root cause of the death of this great nation WAS giving rights to corporations as if they were live entity's.


Can any one tell me WHY? GREEEEEED!
Because I can tell you what they have been doing for the last 40 years shipping all our Jobs to other country's! for CHEAP LABOR then shipping the goods right back here and sell there junk then because they operate outside of the country they pay LESS TAXES! than an American based and American owned corporation. MNC also allows for Foreigners to own and control 51% of any of these corporations. And what do they do with all the their moneys? well since they arnt paying for Pensions any more because they all filled bankruptcy to get out of paying for there promises for hard work and dedication they converted to MNC status allowing for foreign investment to invest heavily in American politics to influence our political leaders financially changing the business waters forever and a nation.

As long as this country allows corporations the same rights as people we the people are screwed.
As long as Corporations are allowed to give money to politicians we are all screwed period.
As far as politics goes as long as money is allowed to influence any one in government we will never have a real democratic democracy for the people by the people.

Its all to late too the end has already begun our country was stolen from us without a single shot being fired.
The Country I grew up in is already gone.

What you're referring to is what Noam Chomsky writes about in Hegemony or Survival. Essentially, he is saying this country is being run by the socio-economic elite. That since WW2, they have sought a global dominance through military, economic, or political means. It's referred to as the "Imperial Grand Strategy". Here is the Wikipedia article about the book:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegemony_or_Survival

He makes a lot of good points. It also explains much of the commonalities of foreign policy between the Dems and Republicans, even though their domestic policy often differs.

And to your point of Verizon: I have also cut service.

 

[TekHousE]

You are correct, sort of. A lot of companies did business with the Nazi's before Pearl Harbor and the declaration of war. However, they usually did it through subsidiaries. IBM bought the German company Deutsche Hollerith Maschinen Groupe in 1923, long before the Nazi's. At the time they weren't even IBM, they were CTR. Like in the case of IBM, most lost control of those companies as the Nazi's seized their assets. The Nazi's took control of IBM after the bombing of Pearl Harbor. That's different than not joining NATO and having open agreements with a country that the rest of Europe embargoed. Funny these points are made by someone from Finland. Look, many still traded with the USSR to a degree. The US provided wheat. The USSR traded in hard currency because of the low value of the ruble, and often deals were hard to detect. But, while we're on the subject: I'm sure you know about the Agreement of Friendship, Cooperation, and Mutual Assistance signed with USSR in 1948, and the term Findlandization. Findland even practiced heavy censorship of the media to control anti-Soviet sentiment. No films were allowed to be seen that seemed even remotely anti-Soviet. Finland acted out of necessity to protect their sovereignty. I understand. Keep trying, guys. I'm full of history. I have a degree in it. Every country in the world has some history of shady dealings.

Hehe, I'm Australian..I live in Finland..since the company I own is here. The fact is the Finns have a lot of answering to do regarding their role in WW2.

 

[Doright]

The Truth will be destroyed and History will be rewritten

I like you dropped Verison BUT not my internet oh no cant loose that lol they got all that tracking stuff down internet phones TV Just like you phone is tracked every thing you do on internet is tracked it doesn't stop their either depending on the car you drive their in the Car with you too. And not just the Government MNC they wanna track your driving habits for cheaper insurance just put this little device in or on your car......

Ever stop and think why our great leaders spent so much money making sure BFE America has Hi-speed DSL?
OH I know so Grandma can see the grand kids on Youtube

 

[440ronnie67]

Once again, this supports my theory of predetermined failure...

 

[Bruzilla]

As far as the Nazi's are concerned I don't see any difference between them and what our government has turned into.

The Nazis gave the world the Volkswagon Beetle, which is still popular close to 80 years later. Our government gave us the Chevy Volt. I think that's all that needs to be said.

 

[Photon440]

I wonder if the ignition switch on their jets are also placed down low on the console?

Even twenty years of General Motors ownership didn't get rid of that feature did it?

At least the Saab jets use some American parts. Like the engines - General Electric F414 similar to the ones in the Super Hornet.

Can't we let the war history rest in the past now?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/nov98/nazicars30.htm