BORGESON GEAR BOX INSTALL WITH FAST RATIO OR STANDARD PITMAN IDLER ARMS???

[BergmanAutoCraft]

Necessary, no. But, all the high performance Mopars had a cooler. The OEs knew something about what they were doing.

Why do people have the gross misconception that good parts are only for the track? Don't people realize the bar has been raised so much my modern cars that our Mopars need all the help they can get in modern driving situations. I wish I could conduct a contest that simulates modern obstacles and road conditions that occur. You'd be surprised what happens in a panic maneuver. Its evident by all the photos online of wrecked muscle cars/hot rods we see.

 

[71RRHI]

Necessary, no. But, all the high performance Mopars had a cooler. The OEs knew something about what they were doing.

I'm getting ready to place an order, Is the BAC10 code still good for FBBO members?

 

[BergmanAutoCraft]

Email me with what you'd like. [email protected]

 

[1danc]

I figured it was just a difference in how it was phrased.
The stock Mopar OEM steering is way overboosted. That was how they were when new. It must have been what the public wanted.

I thought some of the Mopar Pumps were Variable Pressure ? @ Lower RPM higher boost to assist parking ( or parking lot ) that dropped off @ Higher RPM when it really wasn't needed as much ? ( I just bumped into the post looking around ) , questioning my memory now !

 

[BergmanAutoCraft]

I thought some of the Mopar Pumps were Variable Pressure ? @ Lower RPM higher boost to assist parking ( or parking lot ) that dropped off @ Higher RPM when it really wasn't needed as much ? ( I just bumped into the post looking around ) , questioning my memory now !

The flow and relief are fixed. The effort may change slightly based on suspension load or fluid viscosity.

 

[1danc]

The flow and relief are fixed. The effort may change slightly based on suspension load or fluid viscosity.

I couldn't remember for sure, I knew you would have to know - Thx , Dan

 

[Diz TheFiddler]

Did Borgeson or BAC ever say anything about the use of fast ratio pitman or idler arms? Are they compatible or not recommended with the borgeson setup? Can fast ratio cause any issues or is it just up to owners preference? I installed a new borgeson gear box kit, borgeson hoses and coupler with a new saginaw pump. I also installed new pst tie rods, w/ adj. solid sleeves and fast ratio pitman and idler arms. I have some mild issues. I used mopar +4 ps fluid, NOT ATF+4 by the way. My biggest concern is my steering still feels overboosted. Steering wheel moves very easy when engine runs and has a very tiny bit of slop at 11-1 but not as bad as a factory ps gear box. It's better, but just not what I expected. It also is glitchy like it doesn't have enough boost, fluid or air in the system??? I don't know. Its just not what I expected. I removed all zerk fittings due to clearance issues and replaced the fast ratio idler arm with a standard idler arm because of possible intermittent clearance concerns. I left the f.r. pitman on, checked toe for the 100th time, test drove and nothing changed.
Any advice or noticeable issues with my combination. I have no problem swapping the fast ratio arms out for standard arms if that will solve my concerns.
I triple checked torque spec on everything, bleed the system more than once, checked level when warm and cold, checked column/bolts, double checked pitman on gear box alignment, etc.

I have the borgeson with the bergman connector. the 11-1 slop is only with the engine off. with pressure it works fine. I dont have to correct the direction all the time like on the sloppy old box.

A recirculating ball steering box will by design never give you the feedback a rack and pinion does. So it doesnt feel like a modern steering.

Dont put a washer as a throttle into the pressure line. It will heat your fluid, cost power and the power support will be glitchy when you have to steer quickly.

The glitch power assist, you mentioned, is with engine at idle when the pump delivers too less fluid.


yeah, I know I'm too late with these hints.

 

[68 Sport Satellite]

so what is the shim for that people mention installing at the PS pump for use with the Borgeson box? Above it says to reduce line pressure, correct? Is this the same kind of washer shim many have done for years with the Saginaw pumps and stock boxes for increased steering feel? With the Borgeson shim, wouldn't this also increase steering effort a little bit as the OP would like?

I just had the Borgeson Box installed on my 68 Satellite several months ago. No dead spot in the middle any more, but steering effort is easier than my previous Firm Feel Stage 2. I thought it would be the same or a little stiffer. If I could stiffen the steering a tiny bit it would be perfect.

 

[BergmanAutoCraft]

so what is the shim for that people mention installing at the PS pump for use with the Borgeson box? Above it says to reduce line pressure, correct? Is this the same kind of washer shim many have done for years with the Saginaw pumps and stock boxes for increased steering feel? With the Borgeson shim, wouldn't this also increase steering effort a little bit as the OP would like?

The Borgeson box likes more pressure than the OE box. In most cases, zero or 1 shim will remain in the relief valve on a Saginaw pump. The feel is built into the box. Unlike the ancient article of MA showing how to make the OE box harder to turn by changing the relief pressure.

 

[68 Sport Satellite]

The Borgeson box likes more pressure than the OE box. In most cases, zero or 1 shim will remain in the relief valve on a Saginaw pump. The feel is built into the box. Unlike the ancient article of MA showing how to make the OE box harder to turn by changing the relief pressure.

Thanks for the clarification - so I was wrong - if 1 shim is added it increases line pressure to the box, which the box likes, but has no impact on steering feel.

 

[BergmanAutoCraft]

Thanks for the clarification - so I was wrong - if 1 shim is added it increases line pressure to the box, which the box likes, but has no impact on steering feel.

Do not add any shims. What I said is your pump should either have zero shims or 1 shim max. Otherwise, you might be able to turn the wheel at idle.

 

[Diz TheFiddler]

The Borgeson box likes more pressure than the OE box. In most cases, zero or 1 shim will remain in the relief valve on a Saginaw pump. The feel is built into the box. Unlike the ancient article of MA showing how to make the OE box harder to turn by changing the relief pressure.

Thanks for the clarification. I thought dudes put a washer into the line as a restriction. But you shim the relieve valve.

 

[68 Sport Satellite]

Do not add any shims. What I said is your pump should either have zero shims or 1 shim max. Otherwise, you might be able to turn the wheel at idle.

quick clarification on your above post verbiage - you mean, "you might NOT be able to turn the wheel at idle", correct?

 

[BergmanAutoCraft]

correct