Butterscotch charger

[65 cooda]

I am in the process of restoring my 71 charger and want to see what people are saying about single stage paint or base/clear. I am painting butterscotch,once the car is finished it will be stored inside. My painter will use whatever I want. I appreciate all the input.

 

[SteveSS]

I don't know your answer but Butterscotch 3rd gens are so cool. See book.

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[PurpleBeeper]

Single stage = more original. Base/clear = lasts longer

 

[Dibbons]

All my daily drivers have the clear coat peeling off. I went single stage with hardener, park inside with car cover.

 

[flypaper]

Single stage = more original. Base/clear = lasts longer

I have only found single stage in low quality paint lines these days like restoration shop ?
I feel base clear is the way to go..

 

[Bill Monk]

Single stage = more original. Base/clear = lasts longer

I agree with beeper, the only reason to use single stage is originality.

 

[YY1]

.....Base/clear = lasts longer

Not in Florida

 

[Bill Monk]

Not in Florida

Good point. The sun is rough on clear

 

[PurpleBeeper]

I have only found single stage in low quality paint lines these days like restoration shop ?
I feel base clear is the way to go..

Yes, I agree with flypaper on this one. Single-stage paint isn't what it used to be. Base + clear is much more durable. However, if you had a 1-of-5 hemi car, that would be a different story.

 

[PurpleBeeper]

Good point. The sun is rough on clear

The sun is hard on all types of paint. "Southern Florida exposure" is a very common test for durability in the paint industry for this reason. It's mostly the "UV" (ultraviolet) part of sunlight that does the damage.

UV attacks all paint, but some paints resist it better than others. In-organic pigments help, but clears don't have any pigment at all. Organic pigments (typically used in bright yellows & oranges & some bright reds) also degrade quickly in UV light. So....some colors fade more than others.

Paints often have "UV-inhibitors" and HALS (hindered amine light stabilizers) in them which can help to some extent. In general, more expensive paints use more of these (they are expensive!). Clears are the most difficult to make light-stable since many UV-inhibitors & HALS make clears hazy in color at higher levels.

Ever see car parts from Arizona? No rust at all (little rain/no salt on roads), but man-o-man the paint is almost always faded like crazy.

I wish I had more specific information for you guys, like "buy this paint & don't buy that one", but I've been out of the industry for several years now.

One last note, "butterscotch" probably has pretty good UV resistance (for a yellow). The color looks to be primarily yellow iron oxide, which is an In-organic pigment & pretty light stable.

 

[65 cooda]

Thanks for all the input. The reason I was asking was that I had a couple of other cars that the clear come off, but they did sit out in this Alabama heat and sun. I plan on keeping this car inside. Thanks Jim

 

[bearman]

put more sunscreen (wax/polish) on them while they sit out in the sun. lol, phoenix is bad on paint always looking to hide from the sun. but i like the single stage best.

 

[1967coronet]

For a car that lives inside most the time, either paint system will be fine.
The non metallic colors look great in single stage once wet sanded and buffed, same for the clear coat over the base on two stage, wet sanded and buffed = great looking job.
All that is if your panels are arrow straight , blocked and blocked again lol and you have a good paint man.
Base/Clear jobs are more forgiving if you ever have any repairs to blend in.
Single stage job will cost less for supplies. Deltron/PPG brands for my $

 

[Fm3 Dart]

Single stage = more original. Base/clear = lasts longer

Base clear does not last longer. in fact out in the sun, it fails faster than single stage. look at all the cars with peeling clear. That doesn't happen with single stage.
For non metallic colours, I prefer single stage. It looks way more correct.

 

[flypaper]

Where can you buy a quality
Single stage like deltron today?

 

[eldubb440]

looking ahead........... if non-metallic, and you choose to go single stage (I prefer this, all things being equal); you should make sure to keep a couple quarts or so from the original batch for any future repairs, as you would have to paint full panels and need them to match.......... base/clear makes repairs some what easier and much less color is required.

also, the ability to sand base "mid-coat" is an advantage from an "ease of use" stand point

 

[tak419]

Where can you buy a quality
Single stage like deltron today?

Any PPG supplier sells Deltron.

 

[Durandal25]

$180 a gal for single stage.

 

[JackR]

Tomorrow 1st hundred degree day this year in Phoenix. With that one can see the clear coat turning white and flaking off as we drive.

 

[1968rt]

Used Nason Ful-thane single stage on a bunch of cars.Nice quality.Mostly in engine compartments and trunks. Only when I have access to a booth would I consider doing a whole car.