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CFE Changed Our Electric Meter Today

69Coronetrt said:
1) 'Savings', if any, are nominal.
2) New meters cost more than old meaning there should be an increase in cost to pay for the new meter, not a decrease for taking out an old less expensive meter whose cost has already been amortized and paid for.
3) Meter cost and remote reading is cheaper than labor and benefit costs. As an end user, your cost for service increase does not go up as quickly due to increasing labor costs. Your savings comes in the form of mitigating costs.
4) 'Smart metering', and I don't know if that applies here, is designed to use energy more efficiently therefore lowering or stabilizing the cost of generation and distribution. The new generation of meters is designed to, again, keep service costs as low as possible to end users.
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I don't mean to sound like a dick 69Coronetrt, it's just that i hate some of these prick corporations and their attitude towards their employees. Besides you can't be that bad with a handle like 69Coronetrt!
:lol:

I just picked up a 67 Coronet R/T project i'm starting work on.

1. The savings in my case only benefit the power company Pacific Power. They cut a job and Warren Buffet adds a few more digits to his billions. You know that nice old man that likes to eat ice cream and drink coke. I'd rather have a person not lose their job but i guess they'll just retrain and get a new one. Learn to code meter dude. Oh wait, we already imported an east indian and gave him that job. Sucks to be you.

2. Maybe but highly unlikely a made in china smart meter costs more than an old one. Remember what a tv used to cost compared to now? Besides i never requested a smart meter. It's was forced upon me and if i don't like it then the power company has the right to bend me over and have their way. Sons a ******* don't even offer you a kiss. This is a quote from the local news about the charges if you refuse their smart meter.

"Customers that don't use the smart meter will be charged a one-time $137 meter exchange fee, and a $36 monthly meter reading fee. For one year, that's $432 just to have a person read the meter.'

3. I agree that remote reading is cheaper for the power company which is part of the reason for smart meters. However, even if the company was able to mitigate their costs by eliminating 50% of their labor force, none of those savings would be passed along.

4. Smart metering may be used to efficiently distribute and generate electricity but you'll see the real reason within a few years. That is to punish you for your carbon footprint and excessive electricity usage at any time of their choosing.

I guess i'm just a bitter old asshole. I'm the same guy who refuses to do self checkout because i know someone needs that job and i don't want to help the said corp eliminate them. Guess they can always hope for universal basic income.
 
kiwigtx said:
Savings to the consumer are based upon the fact that the new meter will not require a labour-intensive method of gathering the readings monthly. Information is collected electronically, and therefore the more streamlined process requires less cost.

Savings to the supplier are similar, except the new meter costs are absorbed into the network, and the revenue gained back from outdated (and likely deficient) meters, counteracts the initial investment.
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But you stated the savings are nominal, if any. Therefore...WHY DO IT?
 
My ex utility company sold all their 1st & 2nd generation smart meters to some backwater outfit in New Zealand- made a fortune!
:thumbsup:
Btw, a new integrated smart meter sytem costs more than 40 meter readers for 40 years. It's all about the data, data is power. At any given time, the "power company" can take billing readings, amperage readings, sectionalize outages, and yep remotely shut you off. No more evil collection dude at the door.
Get your tin foil hats out
Wait til 5G microcell mesh takes over......
 
Wait till I have 100 5kw Solar panels and they’re paying me. Electric companies will screw anyone at anytime. For instance, since March 2020, people have been at home (working from home or laid off is irrelevant in this) and so more energy has been used at the home. Companies weren’t using the same amount so they were losing money. Not to fear, they bumped their rates. Check it!
 
5.7 hemi said:
Wait till I have 100 5kw Solar panels and they’re paying me. Electric companies will screw anyone at anytime. For instance, since March 2020, people have been at home (working from home or laid off is irrelevant in this) and so more energy has been used at the home. Companies weren’t using the same amount so they were losing money. Not to fear, they bumped their rates. Check it!
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I doubt your electric company 'pays' you for energy meaning they are not going to write you a check every month for energy they buy from you.

Most likely, you'll receive a credit on your bill toward future use.

Until and unless you totally disconnect from their service, you will still pay a monthly connection and meter service fee. Most people believe they save money generating their own power but fail to take into account the install and long term O&M cost or actual cost per kWh. There are some situations where it does pencil out, but in most parts of the country, it doesn't;t m are financial sense to do so.

I'm going to guess electric service is not mandated in your area meaning if you do not want to abide by their terms and conditions for service, I encourage you to drop service.

Typically industrial and commercial customers subsidize residential customers so, yes, if industrial load or commercial load goes down, the costs are passed on to residential customers.

Me= 20 years in the utility business in marketing, customer service, energy efficiency and billing areas.
 
moparwacko said:
Disclaimer- this is of course a fictional account, none of the scenario listed above actually occurred..... .. ...
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I'm sure that was more the norm, than many would admit too...

I knew quite a few people in PG&E when I worked for GC dept.
I heard some stories like that too
Line Dept. guys had some really good stories too
some really vindictive, some funny
 
kiwigtx said:
Me = 39 years as an Electrician. :D
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I said this before what the hell is happening in New Zealand, you working with electricity...:lol:
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Ps you should see this coming:D
 
Yes, monthly connection charge. It’s called a true up, yearly. Here in Commiefornia, at one point they had to pay you if you generated more electricity than used, but now it a credit. There is no maximum amount of panels you can have, so if you do have 40 plus, an average sized home (2000sqft) and don’t run your ac at 70 when it’s hot, you should have a credit. But **** credit, they in turn sell what you produced for a profit (understandable), so I want a check. No credit, money! Credit is absolutely useless in utilities cause they raise their rates, without question, every year. So you’ve already lost money due to that fact. Does the CREDIT then go up as rates do? **** no!
 
5.7 hemi said:
Yes, monthly connection charge. It’s called a true up, yearly. Here in Commiefornia, at one point they had to pay you if you generated more electricity than used, but now it a credit. There is no maximum amount of panels you can have, so if you do have 40 plus, an average sized home (2000sqft) and don’t run your ac at 70 when it’s hot, you should have a credit. But **** credit, they in turn sell what you produced for a profit (understandable), so I want a check. No credit, money! Credit is absolutely useless in utilities cause they raise their rates, without question, every year. So you’ve already lost money due to that fact. Does the CREDIT then go up as rates do? **** no!
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5.7 hemi said:
Yes, monthly connection charge. It’s called a true up, yearly. Here in Commiefornia, at one point they had to pay you if you generated more electricity than used, but now it a credit. There is no maximum amount of panels you can have, so if you do have 40 plus, an average sized home (2000sqft) and don’t run your ac at 70 when it’s hot, you should have a credit. But **** credit, they in turn sell what you produced for a profit (understandable), so I want a check. No credit, money! Credit is absolutely useless in utilities cause they raise their rates, without question, every year. So you’ve already lost money due to that fact. Does the CREDIT then go up as rates do? **** no!
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I wrote a lot of text to try and explain it. But because I don't get paid to explain it anymore, I gave up.

I encourage you to learn more about your local electric provider and learn how the energy business really works.
 
I explained to you my local utilities, also my opinion on the matter. And I don’t get paid to explain to you either.
 
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