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Crack in shortblock

bad pun....got a good laugh from it tho lol. I'm kinda new to TIG welding and have mostly been learning on stainless and aluminum. And I've used my BBQ pit for other uses beside BBQ too lol. Mine is also 'custom' made by yours truly and is my first attempt but I'm not sure how custom it is. It's pretty simple unit and turned out pretty good......I think. I can cook without burning up stuff so I guess that's good lol. Btw, are you welding while the parts are in the pit??


Absolutely! You want the iron to be at least 450 F before you start welding, and the hotter the better. I had a buddy measure all over with a hand held pyrometer and after a while the parts were in the 700 deg range while I was welding. Very unpleasant being a foot away from something that hot for an extended period of time. And to think those guys working at a steel mill. Mmmm, toasty.

Then I was wondering if I should have used mesquite as it might have gave it a better flavor. You Texas boys might know something about BBQ! I like my 390 exhaust manifolds well done!!
 
Don't know what that pit was made of but if it's steel pipe, you had it in the danger zone. Stainless will take that kind of heat but steel pipe doesn't like it....depending on the kind of steel of course. I have scale coming off of mine by doing that.

I worked for ARMCO Steel, Houston plant for 5 years and yeah, there's some very hot areas. Forget about sticking your name on your hard hat with labeling tape. It just smooths it right out lol
 
Yeah, they will go more than once :D. Mine is only 4 years old now but it's showing signs of being over heated and it's 1/4" wall.....but I've had it well over 500 a lot and there's been many times when I got in a hurry just to get it hot to start cooking and buried the gauge...which only slows me down waiting for it to cool down some lol. Had to replace the grate in the firebox already...
 
I didn't run the motor since a couple of weeks
Well, there's 4 possibilities to "solve" the problem:

1. use internal sealant
2. use JB Weld or something alike
3. weld
4. replace shortblock

Since i'm sick and tired of replacing engines, i'll start with 1...

I'd rearrange this list, in order of "best" to "cheapest" solution.

1. Replace shortblock
2. Weld
3. JB Weld

I wouldn't even try silicone personally, it's temporary by design. It won't take particularly well to seeing weather or seeing large temperature fluctuation. I won't even use the crap on my boat, and only use it in my house for internal/bathroom applications which need to be replaced every few years but see primarily and mild temperatures.

A lot of good machinists or other types of shops can fix cast-iron heads/blocks, especially if it's a proper freeze crack, by welding. They do lots of prep, remove bits of metal, etc. To do that on your short block you'll need to tear the whole thing down for that. If you're in a hurry or don't feel like spending that much money on it, attack it with JB weld. It'll be hard to get a proper seal since the inside of your crack is a water-jacket, so it's going to take some patience to get it good and dry first.
 
Hopefully the OP has this dealt with by now (or not), and is happily driving his car around.

All of these fixes "other than silicone" don't take into account that the OP is located in Germany, or that the problem is a somewhat rare, but "common" problem that has no effect on the engine other than possible coolant seepage.

JB weld cant expand with the block, and may ultimately crack.

Totally disassembling the engine and welding the block is expensive, requires new machining, and it's a lowly 383! - This may be permanent, but may not. Unless the weld is thicker/stronger than the native iron, you could be back at square one, and why not go with a stronger block?

Silicone can give/flex with the block expansion, Doesn't need any re-machining, costs a couple of bucks to perform, and is PROBABLY the best permanent fix, other than going with a later block, with the cost of machining.

Without trying that before spending a bunch of money is nuts!

The posts on this site get less realistic nearly every day.
 
The Netherlands isn't Germany and I bet that 383 isn't very lowly to him.....and I have a nice pile of 'scrap' in the corner of my garage for any 383's you want to get rid of but there's also 400's and 440's stacked there too :D
 
No, i'm not driving around yet because of the salt.
No, i'm not in Germany ;-)
No, my 383 is not "lowly" to me and to go for a stronger/bigger block is no option for me right now (being a partial-student).

Tomorrow we're going to inspect the crack and try the sealant. Look, i'm in a part of the world where 383's and 440's aren't "piling up". Next to that I'm not a mechanic and have to rely/trust on good friends who help me out.

@tag: I dig you but just like I said...I'm sick and tired of lifting engines from the engine-bay...been there, done that too many times. I wanne drive, spoil fuel before the Chineese do it and will try the cheapest option first before I spend a lot of money.

I found a 383 shortblock with original bore (because I don't know the bore from the current block). I can purchase that, but the machining will cost me...

I'll keep you guys informed on the sealant.
 
"JB weld cant expand with the block, and may ultimately crack."


Well, it seems that the JB Weld company has a different opinion -

It's water-proof; petroleum-, chemical-, and acid-resistent; resists shock, vibration, and extreme temperature fluctuations, and withstands temperatures up to 500° F.

http://www.jbweld.net/products/jbweld.php

Based on that description it's worth a try. If I were to try silicone I'd use this -

http://www.permatex.com/products/au...mum_Temperature_RTV_Silicone_Gasket_Maker.htm



The posts on this site get less realistic nearly every day.[/QUOTE]

You are entitled to an opinion.
 
Silicone can give/flex with the block expansion, Doesn't need any re-machining, costs a couple of bucks to perform, and is PROBABLY the best permanent fix, other than going with a later block, with the cost of machining.

I ordered them from what I considered "best" to "cheapest", you're supposed to try them in the opposite order. Personally, I don't think picking up another short block is that unrealistic, it's a good excuse to do a stronger build. But I've personally been using these types of problems as excuses to upgrade where my goal is to eventually go through the whole car.

I'm going to assume by "Silicone" you mean some adhesive sealant, and not a silicone-based sealant specifically, in which case I might agree. Now, I'm admittedly a bit of a new-jack mechanic but sealants I know two things about — Silicone based sealants are not permanent (just read the tube on any Marine application Silicone, especially the 3M products which present a lay-persons scale of the adhesive strength), they are designedly removable, non-permanent sealants.

There are significantly more robust adhesive sealants, middle grades being based on polysulphide resins and higher grades being based on polyurethane and epoxy resins. JB Weld actually *is* one of those products, it's just a two part epoxy with steel-base resin (in the same sense as the poisonous copper-base paint we put on the bottom of boats). It will likely make handy-work of this little problem and it will stick for years and years to come without revisiting.

Silicone is the crap you use to seal your shower door. It's also the base used in most RTV sealants, which I trust for some odd things like sealing up my valley pan, but I just wouldn't stick on the opposite side of a water jacket because I don't like to come back and do the same thing over every season.

Another option I don't see mentioned is "Gorilla Snot" (commonly otherwise referred to as stove and oven sealer), I used this just recently to seal up an exhaust stud on my head which I had to heli-coil because I had snapped off an easy-out in it like a dumb ***. Here, have a pic:

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Edelbrock makes a version of it under the label Gasgacinch. I originally used a high-temp sealant of brand I do not recall, as recommended to me by my local parts store. It failed under pressure and heat, so I pulled the stud and resealed it with gasgacinch I haven't had any trouble with it since. It sits right on the inside of the water jacket, exposed to all the heat and moisture you can imagine, and I know the thread to not be water tight as I've seen steam and water escape it when the previous sealant failed. Gasgacinch solved the problem.

You can get it on amazon

Again, I wouldn't bother with silicone for this application. I also wouldn't bother with any of those mechanic-in-a-can solutions. But hey, that's just me. I'd also probably be driving the car right now (if it wasn't for the aforementioned salt on the roads), dumping more coolant into it every other morning like I did on my car until I fixed all the various problems in my own cooling system and the water level finally tabled off.
 
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@tag: normally i'm a pretty safe on things and yes, I dig what you say and completelly agree. But...as I said...sick and tired of lifting engines and can't afford to overhaul the engine right now.

I found a "new" shortblock (original bore) which I can purchase for $60. Needs some machinework. Goal is to move everything from the cracked engine to the new one. But that's for later if the sealant doesn't work.
 
Hey Basoline,if you don't have experience inside this type of engine and your not a mechanic,get your self one of the "Rebuild or How To Hot Rod A" Big Block Chrysler books,and read,read,read.It will save you machining dollars if you want to reuse some internal parts.Good luck and Happy New Year from Canada.
 
I don't remember how big the crack is you're dealing with but I can tell you from personal experience that I fixed a cylinder head crack about 3" long under the middle exhaust ports on a big block head, and not once but twice. I used a can of Bars Leaks and it made short work of that problem. If you want cheap and easy that's it. It may have already been suggested here. I suggest you do it.

I have also used Bars Leaks to seal my Toyota head. I was loosing water but no leak outside and none in the oil so I suspected it was burning it. I ran that 22R truck for 30K miles before I had to remove the head and actually fix it.

Can you get Bars Leaks where you are?
http://images.drillspot.com/pimages/3019/301985_300.jpg
If not PM me with an address and I'll send you a can! I agree, it's time to start driving your car!!
 
@Coronet 500: thanks for the tip and ofcourse, that book is already in my posession and to be honest, i've done this before with the help of friend. It's just...the hood has to be closed most of the time, not off the car...

@Meep-Meep: the crack is about 3" long.

We inserted the Tunap and used this: http://www.tunap.com/en/ranges/automotive/products/p242.html

A good friend is a mechanic and works at a Scania. He has some real good experience with this stuff. We ran the car, inserted the Tunap, ran it again and now it's parked. I put some cardboard underneath the engine and will check on it next week if it is leaking.

I will get back on that and keep you guys informed.
 
Ok. A week further in time. Checked the crack...floor was dry. So huuray! But...there where some black-ish drips hanging from the crack. Not sure if that was the final "release" but I think we made some progress.

Anyone familiar with these kind of symptoms?
 
The black drips could be just something reacting with the cast iron. Water, the stuff you put in to seal it. Who knows. Good news is the leak stopped!
 
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