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define "steel " crank

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when some one says the engine has a STEEL crank (440) is that a forged crank or can it be cast also.. bought this engine and on its descriptive list was steel crank ..its in car now should have looked before we put pan on when engine was out ...reason asking have that vibration thing going under light/constant acceleration ...half throttle or more goes away ...pulled the balancer and it said use with cast crank ............
 
Forged steel is not a casting....it's 'forged' into shape and a casting is poured into a mold. Basic but that's about the size of it. If you have the wrong balancer, you will have a vibration as the forged crank engine is internal balanced and the cast crank engine is externally balanced. The two engines have a very different balance system....
 
I understand what forged is but if somebody says it has a steel crank what would that mean to you ...they didn't say forged or cast ... they just wrote down " has a steel crank "
 
I understand what forged is but if somebody says it has a steel crank what would that mean to you ...they didn't say forged or cast ... they just wrote down " has a steel crank "

They probably meant forged. As all cranks are made of steel either cast or forged. Next time somebody tells you that ask them as opposed to plastic?
 
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a 440 with the hd rods, also called 6 pack rods, have an external balance.
 
They probably meant forged. As all cranks are made of steel either cast or forged. Next time somebody tells you that ask them as opposed to plastic?

I understand what forged is but if somebody says it has a steel crank what would that mean to you ...they didn't say forged or cast ... they just wrote down " has a steel crank "
Forged steel vs cast iron.....so, many just say steel instead of saying 'forged steel' and the same thing for cast. You don't hear cast steel very often but you always hear the term as cast iron. Same with an engine block is made of cast iron and not cast steel. There is no big difference between cast iron and cast steel considering the chemical content and raw materials for cast iron vs cast steel. However, their physical properties have many differences but the raw materials for forged steel vs cast iron is major although Chrysler's cast iron cranks are of very high quality.

Good pic!
 
The cast crankshafts are lighter and can(in theory) spin faster and are fine below 500 HP numbers. What year motor or best guess about brand crankshaft.
 
The cast crankshafts are lighter and can(in theory) spin faster and are fine below 500 HP numbers. What year motor or best guess about brand crankshaft.
It's not so much that they can spin faster but they can reach a certain rpm faster than an engine with a heavier crank. The lighter the rotational assembly is, the faster it'll spool up. Lighter pistons, rods, crank etc means quicker acceleration.
 
Steel is an alloy of iron and carbon - less than about 2% carbon (plus other elements). It is harder than iron and much tougher. Anything over about 2% carbon and the alloy becomes more brittle to the point where it cant be forged. This is cast iron.

Our engine blocks are made of 'grey cast iron', which has so much carbon that it forms sheets and globules within the iron. This carbon actually creates a significant form of lubrication (think graphite) which makes it ideal for cylinder walls. While the lubrication isnt enough without oil, it does greatly help with wear characteristics and scuffing of cylinder walls.

So a forged crank is forged steel, a cast crank is cast iron.
 
To me and I'm sure many others the words "steel crank" is short for forged steel. If the engine has a cast crank we typically say "cast crank".
 
To me and I'm sure many others the words "steel crank" is short for forged steel. If the engine has a cast crank we typically say "cast crank".

exactly
 
To me and I'm sure many others the words "steel crank" is short for forged steel. If the engine has a cast crank we typically say "cast crank".

THANKS that what I'm looking for ... I didn't think to ask at the time what was his meaning of "steel" crank but now 2 1/2 years later it matters
 
Just to muddy the water


Starting with cast cranks, there are three options in increasing order of strength:

Cast iron

Nodular cast iron

Cast steel

The difference between cast iron and nodular cast iron is the shape of the graphite particles in the iron.* Cast iron is not just iron, pure iron is too soft to be used as a crankshaft.* In regular cast iron, the graphite particles are flakes.* In nodular cast iron, they are spherical nodules.* This gives the cast iron more strength and flexibility.

Cast steel is stronger due to the fact that steel is stronger than iron.* To make a cast crankshaft, they heat up iron or steel until it is melted then pour it into a mold, the same as with cast pistons.* Like cast pistons, there is less finish machining to do so they cost less.

With forged steel cranks, a metal bar is heated until it is soft then pounded into the rough shape of the crankshaft.* From there it is machined into the final shape.* There is more machine work involved, along with the cost of the forging equipment it makes for a higher cost of the final piece.* There are different alloys of steel used, that give a crank different levels of strength.

There is one more option for manufacturing a crankshaft, and that is a billet steel crankshaft.* To make them, a much larger bar of steel is forged into a cylinder shape as large as the total diameter of the finished crank, then it is machined to the final shape.* As you can imagine that is a lot more machining and the final cost reflects this.

So what kind do you need?* As it often does, it depends.* A cast iron or nodular cast iron crank is probably enough for most mild street motors.* Higher horsepower and higher sustained RPM cause the stress on a crank to increase.* Most aftermarket crankshaft manufacturers will have an approximate horsepower level that they rate their cranks at.

One thing to think about is that depending on the alloy used, a cast steel crank can be almost as strong as a forged crank.

Just check with the crank manufacturer to see what horsepower level their crank will handle and make sure that is the same or more than what your engine will produce.* you need to remember that if you want to add more power later with boost or nitrous, you need to factor that in when you build your engine.

As far as forged versus billet, it depends on who you believe on which one is stronger, but given the price of a billet crank, there should be some advantage to it.* There is a theory that while forging aligns the crystals of the steel, all the bending that is needed to make the final shape breaks some of those.* Versus the billet, that while it doesn’t use as much pressure as forging and doesn’t produce as tight of a grain, it isn’t disrupted by bending.* Instead it is machined to the final shape.
 
To me and I'm sure many others the words "steel crank" is short for forged steel. If the engine has a cast crank we typically say "cast crank".

Yep, it's universally understood within the hobby. ;)
 
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