DMV and returning your Title in Pennsyvania

[Hemi Rebel]

Call your state representative is all i can say. This **** doesnt need to be that difficult

 

[dual fours]

I was talking about the types of registrations at the tag and title place earlier this year. Some things have changed. They no longer use the tag with the model A on it for Antique. Too many complaints.

I'm not sure at the moment but the one class, I'm thinking it's Classic, you only have to get the vehicle inspected once, when you first tag it.

Do your homework, things have changed, yet again...

You can do your homework and still not be correct when you go to the table, the DMV has nothing better to do then change things to get more $ out of it's Residents? I'm looking at FORM "MV-11 (12-14)" current as of December 2014, which is now 6 months past, with attached "rules govern the issuance of antique, classic and collectible registration plates" it shows under the heading of "Inspection" "Classic vehicles are subject to safety inspection annually. Antique vehicles are Not subject to the annual vehicle safety inspection. Will double check on the inspection item this week.
Will be interesting to see the New Antique Plates.

I'm probably going though all this s-h-eye-tee and messing with everybody's head here and when I go to Pa.DMV they will say "Oh that, That line is a misprint on the Form.":angry1: :angryfire:

 

[Bruzilla]

Seems to me the workaround is file for a replacement title by saying you lost the old one, then submit the new copy.

 

[cr8crshr]

Seems to me the workaround is file for a replacement title by saying you lost the old one, then submit the new copy.

Seems to me that way too is the easiest. Quite frankly though, you are making this out to be way more complicated than it is. First off you are talking about 2 different areas, Titling a car and Registering the Plates for the car. Both are not the same. Your Original Title does not have to be turned in as it has absolutely no relevance to "Registering" and Plating a vehicle. The Title does not need to be re-issued stating that it is either a classic or antique vehicle. Just the plate registration is where that is annotated with any state DMV. Once a transfer of ownership takes place then the Title is signed over to the new owner and the new owner applies for a new Title in his name. Once again Titling and Registering a vehicle are 2 separate things. That being said, if the Keystone State does in fact have you surrender the title when changing the type of registration...either Classic or Antique...for the vehicle, then me thinks its time to consider relocating to a more friendlier State and not have to put up with all the BS you apparently are experiencing there. I know it wouldn't take me a second thought about it...cr8crshr/Tuck

 

[khryslerkid]

The way the vehicle is titled determines the way it is registered, inspected or not, emission test or not. Fifteen yrs or older can be titled as a classic. Twenty five years or older can be titled as a antique. There is a classification for collectable, one for reconstructed, one for street rod, ect. Each with their own restrictions. It can be complicated unless you talk to the right person. The DMV with all of their pencil pushers don't always know the options. Talking to Runkels Insurance, Tag and Title here in Hanover, really seem to know what's going on. They have too in order to keep from making mistakes and to serve the public the best they know how. No different than going to the IRS to get your taxes done, versus having a professional do them.
I was told that several car clubs have been coming down hard on the DMV (PennDot) here in Pa about the way things were being done. They have been making an impact for the "vintage" cars, thanks to them.
This state has always been a bit backwards at the DMV.
I would definitely NOT go to PennDot for the paper work. Find a reputable Tag and Title place that knows all the options...

 

[dual fours]

The way the vehicle is titled determines the way it is registered, inspected or not, emission test or not. Fifteen yrs or older can be titled as a classic. Twenty five years or older can be titled as a antique. There is a classification for collectable, one for reconstructed, one for street rod, ect. Each with their own restrictions. It can be complicated unless you talk to the right person. The DMV with all of their pencil pushers don't always know the options. Talking to Runkels Insurance, Tag and Title here in Hanover, really seem to know what's going on. They have too in order to keep from making mistakes and to serve the public the best they know how. No different than going to the IRS to get your taxes done, versus having a professional do them.
I was told that several car clubs have been coming down hard on the DMV (PennDot) here in Pa about the way things were being done. They have been making an impact for the "vintage" cars, thanks to them.
This state has always been a bit backwards at the DMV.
I would definitely NOT go to PennDot for the paper work. Find a reputable Tag and Title place that knows all the options...

KK, on Saturday past I was at Brennemans at 1:45pm. and did not like everything I was told, (that is why I started this Subject), then ran to Runkles 1:50pm. not enough time to get information on something I was confused with, closes at 2:00pm, both are in York. Going back to RUNKLES this week With questions, pencil, paper and $.
Thanks, DF.

 

[Dennis H]

DMV out here is Ellis Island. Well, Ellis was probably more orderly. I had to have my (new) 09 Challenger smogged and inspected because it was purchased in Allentown! 50 state car? Hours of waiting and not easy to get around the goddamed taco truck in the parking lot. Consider yourself lucky.

 

[dual fours]

OK pay attention, my Charger has not been registered since Nov. 1987, meaning no money sent to the State of Pa. to keep it on the road. As of now there is no record of the Title or car's VIN in the Pa.DMV data base, it has been purged, in there eyes the car no longer exist.
Now I am trying to keep my TITLE (MV-4), a nice piece of paper work to keep with the car and get ANTIQUE TAGS which means I have to fill out an "APPLICATION FOR REGISTRATION for ANTIQUE TAGS (MV-11)".
Now the APPLICATION states that "The APPLICATION (MV-11) and the TITLE (MV-4) needs to be sent to the DMV to get ANTIQUE TAGS".
So I stop in at the York Office and I said "I lost the TITLE and while I was in Hanover, Pa. working, I stopped in at Runkle's office and enquired about my LOST TITLE and was told a copy which was made around five years ago, (remember I said I lost my Title) would be ok to send in." I never was in Hanover or their Hanover Office.
The nice lady at the York Office question me on who told me that about the copy's? Names etc.. well I played stupid and could not remember the person. The nice lady at the York office looked/read on her computer for about two minuets then made two phone calls, one to Hanover and one to somewhere else. Nope wouldn't happen, no copy's, needs the Title. Remember I said it's lost.
The nice lady at the York office said "I need a pencil on paper scraping (no photo) of the VIN PLATE" to prove the car exists to Pa.DMV to get a DUPLECATE TITLE (MV-4) of my lost Title. Now I could have just given up my original Title, after I looked high an low and found it, to be sent in with the ANTIQUE REGISTATION APPLICATION (MV-11) ($75.00) and received a NEW ANTIQUE TITLE ($50.00) for ANTIQUE REGISTATION and ANTIQUE TAGS my total cost to the State $125.00. I'm just an extra $50.00 in the hole for the DUPLICATE TITLE just so I get to keep my ORIGINAL TITLE.
Now in about 10 days or more when I pick up my DUPLICATE TITLE which I just paid $50.00 for, I will send in the DUPLECATE TITLE with the ANTIQUE REGISTRATION APPLICATION (MV-11) ($75.00) and another $50.00 for the NEW ANTIQUE TITLE my total cost to the State $175.00 just so I get to keep my ORIGINAL TITLE, in who knows how many more days I will pick up my ANTIQUE REGISTERED TITLE and my ANTIQUE TAG, it better be a cool looking Tag.
Then when the smoke clears, maybe VINTAGE TAGS to run on the street at a cost of ($75.00).
If I don't fill out an APPLICATION TO DISPLAY A VINTAGE REGISTRATION PLATE (MV-11V) ($75.00) for a 1970 VINTAGE PLATE, I'd just stick them on for shows anyway and save $75.00, then I'd be what, with the extra $50.00 I paid for the DUPLICATE TITLE, and not paying for a VINTAGE PLATE, $25.00 in my favor.
And quite frankly I am not making this way more complicated then it is.
This is the way it is, or is supposed to be, June 19, 2015
So if anybody in PA. gets to use a copy of their TITLE to go from REGULAR REGISTRATION to ANTIQUE or CLASSIC, GO FOR IT.

 

[patrick66]

Jeez, what a PITA it is to do $hit in PA. I'll stay where I am.

 

[Dennis H]

In Pennsylvania I always figured it was the dumb Dutchman. Out here, little English is spoken. We have choices.

 

[khryslerkid]

Thanks for the update DF.
I'm not sure which way I'm going to register my ride. The car isn't road worthy yet and things keep changing with the DMV. So I'll wait untill then.
I'm still wondering what class it was that I was told you only have to get the car inspected once, like they do in Maryland on their regular vehicles.
Snap a pic of the new Antique tag when you get it!

Never mind, found one,