Drivetrain from a 67 Belvedere II

[Tommyboy]

I'm thinking of selling the drivetrain out of my 1967 Belvedere II to raise some money.

It is a 383 4-barrel setup, and an automatic on the column. It is an original engine and transmission to the car.

Engine does NOT run, but was running when it was parked in 1984. Crank turns freely.

I have absolutely no idea how to price this. I will put up a picture of it in a bit.

Message me if you have any thoughts!

 

[YY1]

Wow. I wouldn't do that.

The original engine? Out of a factory 383-4 car? Not as much of a crime as a matching numbers engine, but it IS the original and correctly date coded.

Can you paint it real pretty and make a coffee table or bar or something out of it?

 

[68sportsatelliteragtop]

Wow. I wouldn't do that.

The original engine? Out of a factory 383-4 car? Not as much of a crime as a matching numbers engine, but it IS the original and correctly date coded.

Can you paint it real pretty and make a coffee table or bar or something out of it?

X2, if you sell the drivetrain as it sits I don't think you will raise a lot of capital with it. Maybe $500 if you can find someone who wants it. What are you planning to do with your car? I know you had big plans for it. I would hold on to it as your car will be worth more down the road even if you sell it whole as an unfinished project.

 

[Tommyboy]

Hey guys, thanks for your thoughts.

I am slowly coming to the realization that I will not be able to restore my current project. There is just too much rust and it is beyond my ability or my wallet's ability to fix. My thinking is... since my car IS almost complete.. maybe selling off some parts, and a gun or two, to try to raise enough money to buy another 67 body. one that is significantly less rusty. I have my eye on a 67 about a 3hr drive from my house, and it has a drivetrain in it already. It has decent fenders, doors, hood, and trunk lid.

So i had thought about selling those pieces off of my car, to raise enough money to buy this new body, then I'd use the remaining pieces off my CURRENT car to fill in the gaps on the NEW body.

My problem is lack of money or bodywork experience. I'm not afraid to get my hands dirty or work 100's of hours sanding, blasting, painting and disassembling/re-assembling. It's the cutting and patching and welding that I am not comfortable with.

So that's my thinking. I'm thinking that my current B-body is beyond my ability to salvage the body, and I don't mind putting in the time to part it out and make more money than selling it as "just another parts car".

I welcome more thoughts, guys. I appreciate experienced opinions. I'll attach a picture of the engine so you can see it.

 

[YY1]

...and a factory a/c car...in a desireable color...

More pics of the rest of the car please.

Show us the bad spots.


I know they only made about 1600 like my 66 Coronet 440 with the 383-4.
Even less with a/c.

Bet there's similar low numbers for that 67 Bel II with those same options.
VIN is RH23H7...?

 

[Tommyboy]

ok. i'll post the pictures I have of it. Here are the first 5 pics. I'll put up more.

Here's what I've learned about the car since I've had it... The car has been sitting since 1985. It was running when parked but needed a new cam. ALSO, the previous owner decided to sand down the car, and shoddily patch some of the lower quarters before he sold it to the salvage yard. You'll see this in some of the following pics.

whoever had this car before me replaced the entire rear passenger quarter. You'll see in the next round of pictures a small area of bondo behind the rear glass. It would seem that they did a decent job because the bondo is thin, and I wouldn't have ever known about the repair unless I'd crawled up in the trunk, on my back to inspect the crevices of the car, and saw where the cut away the old quarter and welded in the new one.

It has typical rust in the quarters. it'll need lower quarters and the trunk extensions. Also, the torsion bar is rusted out in the corners. I put in a picture of the trunk and the floors, they are 99% solid. that is a major plus on the car. The underside is in fairly good condition except in the pre-mentioned "typical" spots.

There is a light dent in the driver side door, nothing major. i'll show a pic of this too.

Light pitting and a couple pea-sized holes just above the windshield, but NOT in the window seam. would need repair before the black vinyl roof is restored.

Interior is complete, but needs restored. good seat cores. Fenders are a lil rusty in the bottom and a few random spots up top. Also, the tag on the front of the engine compartment does not match the VIN tag or certicard. My friend wonders if they possibly used a "RH23" front end left over from 1966 at the factory? or perhaps it was from a donor? another question.

The good things about the car? solid floors, 99% complete. only missing the 2 lower chrome stripes and 1 "belvedere II" emblem. Everything else is there. good glass. and like you said, desirable engine model and color.

I've held nothing back on this car. Every secret I've found, you now know.

One last thing, the car is a "RH23H 77 170368"

I'll post more pics in a following thread.

 

[Tommyboy]

More pics...

 

[Tommyboy]

3 last pics of the car. I do "want" to restore this car. I recognize that it could be a totally awesome ride, and I recognize the "slightly rare" factor.. I just don't think I have the skills or money to do it. I'd rather get into something significantly less rusty. I can handle mechanical issues, or sanding/painting, assembly/disassembly. Rust... no thanks!

 

[Tommyboy]

If anyone is seriously interested in this car. Feel free to message me and we can crunch some numbers!

 

[YY1]

I think they do make a patch for the quarter/wheel well.
My brother used a patch cut from a 4 door.
I know there's T bar members available.

Hmm, non-matching numbers might be a future issue.
What exactly doesn't match?
VIN in door doesn't match fender tag, or SO on rad support doesn't match tag?

Dang. Tough call on that one.

I feel the "step under" muscle cars like this (because the next step up would have been a GTX) are going to be worth more and more as the "badged" cars become less and less available. Plus, if it has (or you add) a sway bar, then you have basically the mechanical equivalent of a Road Runner. Just a year earlier!

 

[Tommyboy]

I agree that the "step under" cars are worth having. I like the smooth hood look better than the false scoops from the gtx.

The fender tag is a (RH23 62 xxxxxx). Which differs from the vin in door and certicard.

 

[Tommyboy]

A friend of mine was saying they might have used left over front ends of 66's on the 67's, but I don't know.

 

[YY1]

What is on the door? (first 7)

I don't think the numbers are in the same order on the tag.

I think that "62" is the engine code, which is 383-4 for your 67.

See if this helps-
http://www.chargersourceguide.com/67fendertag.html

 

[Tommyboy]

The door matches the certicard. RH23H771XXXXX. maybe I was wrong then, maybe it is the correct front end. Haha.

Hopefully I still get credit for trying to be forthcoming... Even if ignorantly so.. Haha


I'll get a picture of it when I get home from work.

 

[YY1]

Your car looks relatively unmolested as well.

I'd keep it, and keep it all together.

If the parts car you're looking at has good quarters and that T bar x-member, I'd consider doing the swap the other way to fix the 383 car.

You could always make the "parts" car a driver until your finances improve.
I've done that more than once.

Tell me more about the parts car and what the asking price is. (if you don't mind)

 

[Tommyboy]

Here are pictures of the Fender tag and the VIN on the door jam.

 

[Dako]

looks original to me

That fender tag appears original. Fender tags to not have the whole VIN listed. I just checked my `66 Belvedere II...and I know it's original. I bought it from my uncle who was the original owner.

I can tell you from restoring mine, 'most ' panels are available from Sherman Auto out of Canada. Their panels are the same thickness as the originals. Front fender patches, rear wheel openings, lower rear quarters, torsion bar supports and trunk extensions are all available. Last I knew, inner wheel houses were, but outer wheel houses were not...makes no sense, I know, as the outer is the one that typically rusts out with the quarter. A patch was cut out of a `67 Dodge Dart outer wheel house as it was 'close' and didn't take too much to make it work. For the rocker panels a `66 Dodge Coronets was able to be used...again cutting a patch (used the majority of the panel). You may be able to find a body guy in your area willing to work with you and do pieces at a time? I have to agree with others who have posted, that this may be a car worth saving.

Can you provide more picks of the whole car? How is the glass? How is the chrome that is there?

 

['67 Belvy II]

I want, I need, I must have

I've been looking for those radio knobs, radiator and radiator shroud. pm me and we'll talk #s.I would also be interested the jack if its still there.

 

[Tommyboy]

It is the original fender tag. To be honest with you, I just spoke out of ignorance because I thought they were supposed to match.

The car is fully complete save for 3 pieces of chrome. the bottom 2 strips from wheelwell to wheelwell, and 1 "Belvedere II" emblem. Glass is perfect, floors are perfect. Rest of the chrome is there as well as bumpers and front end pieces.

I totally would love to see this car restored. I would rather NOT part it out, as I have come to agree with everyone.

With that being said,

Is anyone, who is following this thread, familiar with anyone in Oklahoma, Kansas, Arkansas, or Northern Texas who would be willing to work with someone on getting bodywork done?

Once again, thanks to all for the opinions. I make no claims to be wise in the "ways of the Mopar" like some of you guys.

Ryan in Oklahoma