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EFI Conversion Kit

What are you guys talking about rewiring the car? Mine has the original 66 wiring still.
First, there's no way I'd be driving any car with 60 year old wiring whether it was EFI equipped or not. Can it be done? Sure. Would I willfully choose to? No way. I won't get into why so you can draw your own conclusions about that.

2nd, if you've done 20 of these then you should understand there is basically no point in going through the exercise if you're not going to let the ECU control the timing. I'm also sure you're aware it's 110% impossible for the ECU to control timing with an OE style electronic distributor anyway but if that's what you want, go for it.

Do you use the software to tune these installs? Have you built custom fuel and spark tables? Have you made changes on the fly? I'm guessing no. If you just rely on the initial, generic 'Wizard' tune you're leaving power and efficiency on the table. It's sorta like having a race car that you only drive to the mailbox.

Yeah, Holley pushes the whole 'plug and play' idea which is how they get their foot in the door to sell this stuff but to get these things optimized takes more time and effort than most people are willing to put into it.
 
Figure out a way to access the in-tank pump without dropping the tank. Get an oversized tank if you road trip the car really pays off. Got mine from Ricks Tanks, El Paso. Fits like a glove with an extra 2 gallons or so. Cost just short of $$$1 million.
Did you buy the door that goes on the trunk floor for acces to the fuel pump?
 
Yep. Fabricator said it wouldn’t work with floor configuration. Sure would have come in handy.
I too don’t get the wiring concern. Except for the box upgrade for ac and power windows, mine is mostly original and ready for spontaneous combustion.
 
A question for the OP - why are you "looking to ditch the carb"? Are you having a specific issue?
I'm not against EFI in general, but a good carb can be perfectly reliable, start on the first turn of the key after sitting for 2 weeks, run clean, and get good mileage.

Plus they look super cool...
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A question for the OP - why are you "looking to ditch the carb"? Are you having a specific issue?
I'm not against EFI in general, but a good carb can be perfectly reliable, start on the first turn of the key after sitting for 2 weeks, run clean, and get good mileage.

Plus they look super cool...
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That's why I won't EFI another car. Like Dennis said, it's very expensive and comes with a host of new problems and parts that will need replacing at some inconvenient time and place.
 
Sorry, not the OP. But, I was very happy with the 850 Demon. However, in Reno at 5000 feet and 100 degrees it would not start hot. Period. With cool South Bay breezes and Sea Level at home no problem. Side effects are nice though. No fuel in oil for starters. Really cleans things up.
 
Sorry, not the OP. But, I was very happy with the 850 Demon. However, in Reno at 5000 feet and 100 degrees it would not start hot. Period. With cool South Bay breezes and Sea Level at home no problem. Side effects are nice though. No fuel in oil for starters. Really cleans things up.
Valid point - location can play a big part, especially elevation. Where I live at sea level I have no issues. Don't need a choke, even in winter, and haven't had any hot starting issues even at 100 degree plus, but heat plus elevation would be a bad combo I'm sure.

Having a good carb in proper tune is the most important point. In 6 years and 15,000 miles I haven't had a carburetor issue yet, and that's across the original ancient 700 D/P (good but old and very heavy), a 1850 Holley 600 V/S (great carb), a 650 AVS2 (underwhelming), and the current favorite a 650 D/P Street H/P.

Poorly set up systems get blamed, whether it's carburetors or EFI.
 
Poorly set up systems get blamed, whether it's carburetors or EFI.
I agree with this. Sometimes you have to put some effort into this stuff. That's why I said it's not worth the effort if you just putt around every so often. If the carb is problematic, figure it out and fix it. EFI is not a magic bullet and it's not for everyone.
 
Sorry, not the OP. But, I was very happy with the 850 Demon. However, in Reno at 5000 feet and 100 degrees it would not start hot. Period. With cool South Bay breezes and Sea Level at home no problem. Side effects are nice though. No fuel in oil for starters. Really cleans things up.
There's a product called Carb Cheater that will automatically adjust the air/fuel mixture based on climate and elevation. It's less than $500. Pretty slick.
 
you are right you do not have to rewire the car. BUT 50 to 60 year old wiring can make problems like the insulation gets hard and cracks instead of bending and the resistance in the supply side of the e.c.u to drive the injectors can make heat build up and things start to act funny or parts fail for no reason . there have been some relay failures and not working due to wiring im on the Edelbrock forum more than hear as i love fuel injection and have from the old days when we made our on jets for the machinal fuel injections systems.
 
There's a product called Carb Cheater that will automatically adjust the air/fuel mixture based on climate and elevation. It's less than $500. Pretty slick.
not only that, if it ever fails, won't strand you, just goes back to carb without the cheater. youtuber thunderhead289
 
do you carry any extra carb parts with you ? any spare parts at all ?

i have over 3000 miles and no brake downs ask Dennis he went around the world with no brake downs. well the U.S.A road trip at least 5 to 6ooo on his i bet.
 
i will say when the 0-2 sensor went bad i had to turn off closed loop so as not to foul my spark plugs lets see you do that with a needle and seat stuck and i sat in the car with the cold a/c blowing and tap 2-3 i-cons and wala down the road runner i go :lol::moparsmiley:
 
do you carry any extra carb parts with you ? any spare parts at all ?

i have over 3000 miles and no brake downs ask Dennis he went around the world with no brake downs. well the U.S.A road trip at least 5 to 6ooo on his i bet.
You didn't read about Dennis' trials and tribulations, did d you?
 
i will say when the 0-2 sensor went bad i had to turn off closed loop so as not to foul my spark plugs lets see you do that with a needle and seat stuck and i sat in the car with the cold a/c blowing and tap 2-3 i-cons and wala down the road runner i go
I had an 02 go south on me. Luckily the tune had been steady for long enough to where I turned off the learning function. The learn table cells were all in the single digits and most were under 5. At that point it basically acts like a carb since there is no feedback from the 02 trying to match the set A/F values.

Turning off learning actually saved me from internal engine damage. There were some bad exhaust leaks that I didn't deal with right away and kept driving it. With no 02, the ECU would have been dumping extra fuel to compensate for the extra air. Too much unburned fuel creates excess carbon buildup, fouls plugs, washes the cylinders down with gas and dilutes oil lubricity = bad! But, after locking down the tune the ECU will not learn based on any new A/F conditions. (like a carb!) Luckily the tune was slightly on the lean side when it was locked in so it didn't overcompensate for the extra air by dumping extra fuel. Eventually the exhaust leaks got bad enough where I had to fix them but I dodged a bullet for sure.

In general I am skeptical of blaming the 02 (same with the ECU). I see it get named as the cause of any number of maladies but no one ever checks them to see if they are actually switching. I bench tested mine and sure enough it had stopped switching so time to replace.

Note how black the throttle body bores were. Thankfully that buildup was really the only issue - still had good oil pressure and it didn't smell like gas.
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To be clear, I've spent some time in my life fooling with many differrent types of carburetors. I've gotten some decent results from my efforts like getting good mileage out of a poorly mismatched engine combination. I can fix bogs, surges, rich and lean conditions, etc. It's fun but due to their mechanical nature, you are limited in how precise you can get the tune and there's always going to be something that's not quite right depending on how you drive. WOT is simple but trying to get a carb perfect for all normal road driving conditions can be challengeing.

EFI allows the user to get much closer to 'prefection' because there is finite control over all parameters of the tuning process. That's also why it makes zero sense to not let the ECU control the timing - EFI is about precisely controlling all tuning parameters, not just the fuel. This is especially true when you build your own tune and go through the adjustment process as it learns. It's rewarding when you get a combination to run as well as it can under a variety of conditions. It's proved out by data logs and the information in the learn tables. If you get to a point where the system is no longer learning, you've done well.

If you don't care about that or don't have the desire to get involved with the tuning process, stick with a carb and accept that it's always going to be a compromise on some level. It's the same with letting the ECU do it's thing without any input from the user. As they say, garbage in, garbage out.
 
All EFI problems were behind the firewall. Actually behind the rear seat. Edelbrock Pro Flo is flawless. Reliable now.

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I am working on putting a sniper on my car this year but figured I would let you know aeromotive makes a fuel tank for our cars with an in tank fuel pump. I put it in my car preemptively when I redid the wiring and used it with my carb and a carb regulator. It works great. I highly recommend the fuel pump controller to keep the noise down as it runs the pump at a lower percentage. I put a 340lph pump in my car.

Also from experience with Holley their support is great my buddies truck has a terminator and the only thing that has been an issue is the o2 going bad and as others have stated just turn off learning and keep going till you get a new o2.
 
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