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So on Friday my 2017 Hemi Ram 2500 4dr long bed tripped a code flashing check engine. It was under load going up a hill. So I let off the throttle and the engine light goes solid. I take it to Auto Zone to scan it as it was only a few miles away. Seems #8 shows multiple misfires needs plugs and a coil. I should have put plugs in it in the spring. So I buy what came in it from the factory. $210 for 16 plugs dealer wanted $320 plus tax and that’s list not retail for them. Now it’s snowing all day Friday 31 degrees and blowing 15-20mph… I need my truck cause I was getting my car trailer to tow my wife’s truck to put a fuel pump in it it only has 55,000 on it but that is another story. So I call a buddy who lives a mile from the parts store. He said I could use his car port and any tools needed. I only wanted to do #8 and what a pain in the ***. It’s tucked under the heater hoses and a massive wire harness. All this room under the hood and they bury this!! I wish they made stuff simple to work on. I ended up putting a coil on it too as ultimately that was the culprit. I got a Mopar one of those from the local dealer as I don’t like aftermarket components it was only $100. So today I did the other 14 plugs. The drivers side was a little better BUT 2nd plug in #3 and the 1st plug in #5 were difficult as they are deep in there with the booster making it impossible to use an extension so you need to use multiple small extensions and take them apart as you are pulling the plug out… So for any Hemi Ram owners that do your own work it’s a job on a 2500 working off a step stool laying across the engine to get to everything… A side note is to also have 2 plug sockets like I have. One with the foam that holds the plug to get them out and another without the foam to install them so you are not fighting to get the socket off once the new plug is in!!! Glad I won’t have to do that job for atleast another 100,000 miles. At least it was in the 50’s today so much better than Friday!
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It's a job on any of the later-model hemi Rams, not just 2500's.
Dodge, like their competition, moved the drivetrains back on the frames 25 years ago and the rear plugs
on the hemi's are under the master cylinder (drivers side) or heater stuff (passenger side) as a result.
I've done the job several times on my '04 over the years, but the last time I did, I vowed never again -
I can no longer climb under the hood and lay prone on the engine on my belly to access those plugs.
Guess I'll have to either sell the truck or pay someone else to do it.
 
It's a job on any of the later-model hemi Rams, not just 2500's.
Dodge, like their competition, moved the drivetrains back on the frames 25 years ago and the rear plugs
on the hemi's are under the master cylinder (drivers side) or heater stuff (passenger side) as a result.
I've done the job several times on my '04 over the years, but the last time I did, I vowed never again -
I can no longer climb under the hood and lay prone on the engine on my belly to access those plugs.
Guess I'll have to either sell the truck or pay someone else to do it.
I agree but the height makes the 2500's worse I can reach 1-6 from the stool 7 & 8 not so much.... I did plugs and wires on our '03 Hemi Ram 2500 ALL THOSE SPARK PLUG WIRES!! I also like the coil pack connections on the earlier Hemi's with the red slide clip verses these newer ones where you have to press them in and pull to unclip. They wouldn't be so bad if they were easily accessible. I will feel what I did in the morning for sure and have some funky bruises from laying in the engine compartment...
 
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I agree but the height makes the 2500's worse.... I did plugs and wires on our '03 Hemi Ram 2500 ALL THOSE SPARK PLUG WIRES!! I also like the coil pack connections on the earlier Hemi's with the red slide clip verses these newer ones where you have to press them in and pull to unclip. They wouldn't be so bad if they were easily accessible. I will feel what I did in the morning for sure and have some funky bruises from laying in the engine compartment...
Laying on my ancient, multi-surgery-patched up belly is the same at 3ft or 5ft above the floor. :)
 
On Friday my 2017 Ram 2500 tripped a code flashing check engine. I take it to Auto Zone to scan it as it . Seems #8 shows multiple misfires needs plugs and a coil. I should have put plugs in it in the spring. So I buy what came in it from the factory. $210 for 16 plugs dealer wanted $320 plus tax and that’s list not retail for them. I only wanted to do #8 and what a pain in the ***. It’s tucked under the heater hoses and a massive wire harness.

No offense but this whole post gave me this reaction:

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All this room under the hood and they bury this!! Today I did the other 14 plugs. The drivers side was a little better BUT 2nd plug in #2 and the 1st plug in #3 were difficult as they are deep in there with the booster making it impossible to use an extension so you need to use multiple small extensions and take them apart as you are pulling the plug out…

I have been there, man. My 2007 has 407,000 miles and the change interval for mine is 30,000 miles. Yes, I've done this a LOT.

So for any Hemi Ram owners that do your own work it’s a job on a 2500 working off a step stool laying across the engine to get to everything… A side note is to also have 2 plug sockets like I have. One with the foam that holds the plug to get them out and another without the foam to install them so you are not fighting to get the socket off once the new plug is in!!!

I laughed only because as I am reading this, you encountered all of the same problems that I first did way back in 2008. My truck is a lowered 2wd so I don't have the height working against me. Still, the brake booster blocking cylinder #7, the heater hoses blocking #8, the multiple extensions and dual sockets are all quite familiar.
This reminds me of the father that sees his kid come home from his first payroll job and the kid has his first paycheck. The kid is complaining about all the taxes that they take out and the father just laughs. HE had also been there awhile back and remembers how it feels to earn *** amount and only get YYY.
Cheers though, man...you got it done.
 
No offense but this whole post gave me this reaction:

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I have been there, man. My 2007 has 407,000 miles and the change interval for mine is 30,000 miles. Yes, I've done this a LOT.



I laughed only because as I am reading this, you encountered all of the same problems that I first did way back in 2008. My truck is a lowered 2wd so I don't have the height working against me. Still, the brake booster blocking cylinder #7, the heater hoses blocking #8, the multiple extensions and dual sockets are all quite familiar.
This reminds me of the father that sees his kid come home from his first payroll job and the kid has his first paycheck. The kid is complaining about all the taxes that they take out and the father just laughs. HE had also been there awhile back and remembers how it feels to earn *** amount and only get YYY.
Cheers though, man...you got it done.
I have done it on my '03 2500 a few times... I somehow thought they could improve the process by 2017 but they proved me wrong other than the spark plug wires!!!! :lol:

Had to reread what I wrote and edit when I saw you quoting me. I was typed all this on my phone cause that's where the photo's were.. Yes #3 cylinder 2nd plug and #7 1st plug were the pain in the *** with the booster..
 
I didn't complain too much changing the plugs on mine. I swear everytime I pull the oil filter and it spills on the front diff and electrics though.
Not looking forward to changing the cam and lifters either. I might pull the engine out when I do that, or maybe the cab off might be easier.
 
I didn't complain too much changing the plugs on mine. I swear everytime I pull the oil filter and it spills on the front diff and electrics though.
Not looking forward to changing the cam and lifters either. I might pull the engine out when I do that, or maybe the cab off might be easier.
I wanted to swear a few times cause of the "design flaws" but refrained as my Mennonite neighbors were out with their church group and children running around playing... There is no leaves left to cushion my voice so I just kept going quietly. I changed the oil last week so I oiled the front differential already...
 
I don't own a hemi Ram. I have the 16 plug hemi in my Charger though.
Dodge switched from copper core to iridium somewhere around 2016. For any older vehicle with the 16 plugs, they put out a bulletin to use iridium for the next changeout. This changes the interval from 30k to 65k.
Iridium plugs cost a lot more then the copper. The job is a pita though(or it costs a lot) so pick your poison on that I guess.
 
I don't own a hemi Ram. I have the 16 plug hemi in my Charger though.
Dodge switched from copper core to iridium somewhere around 2016. For any older vehicle with the 16 plugs, they put out a bulletin to use iridium for the next changeout. This changes the interval from 30k to 65k.
Iridium plugs cost a lot more then the copper. The job is a pita though(or it costs a lot) so pick your poison on that I guess.
Yep that’s what I used.

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I don't own a hemi Ram. I have the 16 plug hemi in my Charger though.
Dodge switched from copper core to iridium somewhere around 2016. For any older vehicle with the 16 plugs, they put out a bulletin to use iridium for the next changeout. This changes the interval from 30k to 65k.
Iridium plugs cost a lot more then the copper. The job is a pita though(or it costs a lot) so pick your poison on that I guess.
Yeah, we have an '11 Charger R/T 5.7 also.
Changing plugs in it is a cakewalk compared to the Ram. Half hour job.
Also, I'd like to see that bulletin because I was advised by Dodge reps more than once back in the day
to stick with the Champions it came with, as the use of "exotic" metal plugs would mess with the ECU.
 
Try going thru the fender well after removal on the driver side. While I have not removed a liner to do this job, I have laid across the top to do all of them in trucks and hated it. My buddy that works at the dealer goes thru the wheel well. Now as far a cam and lifters I’ve replaced many with the short block remaining, removing the core support is a breeze just make sure to get the slide clips for the headlamp buckets and the bolts for the lower eyebrows below the headlamp buckets, all thru the wheel wells. And leaving the block in makes removing the pick up tube off the oil pump a pain, it’s one bolt and a slip in tube with O ring.
 
Try going thru the fender well after removal on the driver side. While I have not removed a liner to do this job, I have laid across the top to do all of them in trucks and hated it. My buddy that works at the dealer goes thru the wheel well. Now as far a cam and lifters I’ve replaced many with the short block remaining, removing the core support is a breeze just make sure to get the slide clips for the headlamp buckets and the bolts for the lower eyebrows below the headlamp buckets, all thru the wheel wells. And leaving the block in makes removing the pick up tube off the oil pump a pain, it’s one bolt and a slip in tube with O ring.
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Remove plastic wheel liners

Eating a piece of cake sitting on my *** changing spark plugs
 
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