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Fender tag replacement

LMAO !!! They're all Great. Thx for the post. I could bolt on one of those no problem. My f/tag project is no where near as 'Cool' as these, but, should I find a decent vendor, who is willing to make mine, based upon the following template (diagram #3) c/w proof of vehicle ownership; valid VIN and a couple of supporting pics, I will likely go with my own template. Thx thou, for some great ideas, should my plan "A" hit the dumpster. Cheers & Keep on Rock'n.

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The SPD would not be that hard to determine with a little research.
Have you verified every code listed by cross checking with other GTXs built at the same plant at about the same time?

Take your time and do the research before you spend the money.
 
I have looked at a lot of tags over the past 2 years. The codes I have included in diagram #3, have been seen randomly through out that process, with the exception of the [A] in SO#. After establishing this as a valid code, it would make sense to also include the corresponding w-6 code in line 4, as was described above. I have seen no tags with the [A] in SO#, or the w-6 code, but I am thinking, this is understandable, given that all of the posts, I've seen so far, are USA builds. I know you have said it several times, and I appreciate your words of wisdom, but I have no intension of proceeding further with this project, until such time, as I confirm, what I have recently learned, and included in diagram #3 (to date), thanks to you and others in FBBO. My reluctance, to include questionable codes, is demonstrated in diagram #2, where I mentioned 3 codes shown in [Black], known by me to be factory options on my X, but, because these particular codes have not been seen, within any of the tags I have reviewed so far, they are not being included in my tag, until proven otherwise. This approach, might explain why the caption on my last post read "Final Template - Pending Errors". It is because of your comments, I am proceeding very cautiously with this project. I completely agree with your reasons for doing so. The problem as I see it (that remains to be resolved) is looking at more tags, specifically those with SO#s beginning with [A] and ideally close to the remainder of 'my' code. I have seen another member of FBBO make such a request for similar help earlier. He was lucky enough to have a response within 2 numbers of his own SO#, that was a great help in zeroing in on his missing SPD, at best I suspect, within a week or two - given all of the reported variables encountered during the Lynch Road production and assembly lines. You obviously know all about this stuff. I need not ramble on about such things and waste your time. Bottom line... I will be looking at more tags, with all of this in mind, to be as accurate as possible. Based upon all the comments (yours included) that I have read so far suggests - that determining the SPD, via such a method, in the absence of the original fender tag and broadcast sheet - is at best, a guess - which could be either bang on, or off by a week or two. Such guesswork, as expressed by others in FBBO, is unacceptable. This too, is an opinion, I understand and respect. If the SPD can not be accurately determined, I have no problem in leaving it BLANK. It is in my view a replacement 'Part', or 'Fake' tag, as many others prefer to call it, despite my sincere efforts. I remain hopeful, this is doable. Again, thx for all your help :)
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Hello all, just joined here. This is an interesting topic to me as i do sort of enjoy the whole "numbers matching" series/code reader stuff. I had a new Fender Tag made up for my '71 RR that had the original missing. Fortunately I did have, a mostly readable, original Broadcast sheet. I first attempted to contact Galen Govier for the new Tag but he never returned my email or phone calls. Not exactly sure why except maybe he had more interesting cars than mine to tend to. An outfit called "A.G. Backeast" finally did the honors and i'm pretty happy with the results. Even with a broadcast it still was not an "automatic" thing. One unknown in particular was the exact "date" for the SPD as this was not clearly readable on my broadcast. The month was easy determined as it was clearly marked on driver door label (not sure 68's had this label?) but that label had no specific date. Just month and year of build. I myself, by extremely careful and close "observation" of the broadcast, including blowing it up with a digitized scan on the computer, i eventually was able to discern enough ink residue to make out "24." A.G. Backeast was somehow able to confirm this "i think" at least in part, using the sequential/ series number from the VIN. Thats cool you were able to find your Sequential number from the radiator core support as it should be there, as well as on the trunk lip under the weather stripping (Left side?) Might be able to determine a reasonably good SPD from that? As far as the Vehicle Order Number "VON" unfortunately, from what i understand and was referred to earlier, there was no real "rhyme nor reason" to its creation, was random, and it will be lost to antiquity without a broadcast or original fender tag. There is a Chrysler Historical Archives (cant recall exact title) organisation that can reproduce the IBM "punch card" (with VON and SPD info presumably?) that was created with the order of the car that is about as good as a broadcast sheet and could be gotten (for a fee) with the known sequential number, model year and assembly plant...Except, if memory serves..."Might not?" be available on vehicles newer than '67? Due to those records being lost...Still could be worth a look? An honest effort in reverse engineering a Fender Tag without other substantiating documents is very difficult!
 
Hello again all, this thread and your Febder Tag plight Old Timer has inspired me to look into this a little more, maybe add a few cents worth and learn a little "Moparology" in the process. According to my "MMC Detroit" sources the IBM Punch Card was pretty much the first paper document created for a car, done at Chrysler HQ, Highland Park, MI. As the orders came in. The factory "Track Sheet" aka "Broadcast sheet" was created from this punch card, which contained all the necessary build info including the VON and SPD. Fiat Chrysler Automobiles archival "historical services" can reprint IBM cards (and apperantly only IBM cards) for most vehicles up thru model year 1967. After that they say its a no-go, due to the records for 1968 onward having been lost. (The vexation of it all! arguably the would be most sought after cards, for the most popular years...destroyed ) Unfortunately for the quest here as well. As this of course would have "squared" things up nicely! The manufactures driver door label containing month and year of build was not used until 1970 and things like original warranty "certicards" and such also no help here. Galen Govier (if he answers) A.G. Backeast and MMC Deroit may be a help on tracking info by the VIN Sequence #? Other than that It would seem just what your doing is probably about the best that can be done....Tracking and matching known SPD's with VIN sequence #'s and doing "the math" to narrow down a reasonable educated guesstimate. The VON itself in all likelyhood being unrecoverable unless by some miracle a document is found? Quick story here. My '71 Runner did not have a broadcastsheet or fender tag when i purchased it. It did have the dash VIN, door label, body, engine and tranny stampings that all checked out. In doing my own little history search i was put in contact with a guy who, as sheer chance and providence would have it, and to my surprise and dismay, still posessed the original Broadcast sheet! He was pretty gracious about it and sent me the broadcast for a small "stipend." Just luck! Your radiator support stamping is curious.
"A8RA11710"? Not sure this is the stamping your looking for? Keep in mind there are "other" stampings in the vicinity of the radiator support other than the partial VIN stamp. The sequence number 11710 appears a number short (should be 6 numerals?) And the "A8RA" appears to have "to many" characters and ones that dont check out? There was some mention of the first "A" being export to Canada? Idk I have no info on this. The stamping on the rad. Support and trunk lip should be the same as the last 8 digits of the VIN indicating the model year, assembly plant and sequence #. Another thing to note is often the rad support/trunk stamping will have the "assembly plant" and "model year" codes "swapped" in position from how they appear on the dash VIN plate. "A" would indicate Lynch Road assembly and "8" the model year which does fit your car. What the other "A" and "R" would be i dont know, but then again there is much i dont know! Lol. Would be interesting to see what you find on the trunk lip? Oh yeah, the Lynch Road fender tags did have a "layout" format that were somewhat different from the other factories. As to exactly "what" different i'd have to research but they were somewhat different (this may have only been for 1969??) Anyway, sorry could not be more help. Happy hunting and Mopar on!
 
For 1968:

A = plant. In this case Lynch Road.
8= model year 1968
R= model line. R is Belvedere, W is Coronet, etc. same as the first letter of the VIN.
A= built for sale in Canada and the first character of the SO.
 
Wow... I certainly appreciate all the time you guys are spending, trying to help me out of this pickle. A lot of good to know info. If I've learned anything, given my particular circumstances... I only have two options left. 1) Examine as many databases, as I can find, looking for 68 LR 'Axxxxx' VONs with it in mind to estimate
my SPD, based upon the surrounding data. I have come to understand the randomness of the LR production line and that two vehicles bearing nearly exact VINs
or nearly exact VONs, do not necessarily go down the line together. Some have suggested as many as 2-3 weeks could expire between vehicles entering the production line. If true, this makes determination of the SPD, a crap shoot at best - which is why it has also been suggested, I leave the SPD BLANK in order to maintain the integrity of the replacement tag. In doing so, everyone will recognize it, as a replacement tag in the future, and no harm is done. This is ok with me. np. - but in the meantime, OPTION #2 is, I am going to drop by every car show I can within the lower mainland region B.C. (Western Coastline) of Canada, with this project in mind. Hopefully I will see a number of LR 68 b-body VONs - to which I will refer in my continuing research. Wish me luck....lol. I'll need it. PS: I have also reached out and made a couple of more contacts. I suspect I am on the right track. I know of no other useful methodology, in bailing this one out. Thank-you everyone for your time and comments. If, I learn anything further, I will most certainly post an update. Otherwise - Peace and Keep On Rock'n :)

68 Charger RT Hemi Fender Tag A.JPG

Here is an example of a 68 Dodge R/T Hemi 'Built to Spec's for Canada' fender tag, I found posted earlier on the internet.
Notice the VON beginning with 'A' at the end of line #1 (the bottom line). Also notice the w/6 code near the end of line #4 (the top line).
These are both designators - the car was built to Spec's for Canada. I'm not sure what the differences were, but there must have been some.

There were reportedly only 17,914 GTXs built in 1968. It would interesting to know how many bore VONs, beginning with 'A'.
As only (3) of 7,841 '68 SuperBee Hemis built, had the designator 'A' within VON, destined for Canada, (according to John Bober's SuperBee Registry),
I rather suspect - a low number of '68 GTX's were shipped North, with the 'A' designator found in the VON, making my task difficult, if not for the fact, many other
models, such as the Belvedere, RR & others, kindly mentioned by 69Coronetrt, are worthy of examination for similar VON/SPD research - all of which has yet to be done.
I have learned, there is no easy way to do this correctly, in the absence of proper documentation. Everything changes for the better, as of 1969, unfortunately for me.

If you are still curious about my strange looking SO# located upon top ds rad yoke (aka mounting bracket or frame), I have included a quick pic below.

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Just goes to show ya - they exist. lol.
Again, Peace and Take care.
 
The Charger was built at the Hamtramck plant. Different plants coded differently. Make sure you find tags from cars built at LR. ;)
 
Yupper. Just posted the R/T tag to illustrate the 'Axxxxx' VON and assoc. w/6 coding, I'm looking for. I am satisfied with the remainder of my draft template contents,
with the exception of those discussed via pm earlier. Engine and Rad codes have since been amended accordingly to correct those errors observed. My remaining focus
will be upon 68LR builds, bearing similar VINs and/or VONs. I will review all available materials, and make whatever determinations I can - at that time :)

As part of my research, the following clip, is an example of data available for SuperBees, within the cool SuperBee registry. Although these rides were not built at the LR plant, it does show the low presence of "Axxxxx" VONs in such systems. When comparing an SPD to the vehicle's VON, like others have stated on this thread, there is little sense that can be made of such comparisons. Especially when all builds are going down the assembly line in random orders. It's a tough assignment, to be sure. Oh well... What I know of '68 LR records would suggest they truly suck. It's too bad, there isn't a credible database, similar to the SuperBee Registry, created for other '68 models including my beloved X :) sigh. Despite the brick walls, I'll get this sorted, one way or the other. Peace.
Example of SuperBee Registry.jpg
 
Do not try and match the SO (VON) to SPD. You'll only get frustrated. There is a rhyme and reason to SO numbers but rarely do they help with SPD. A VIN to SPD usually correlates pretty well.
 
Ya... I was looking at the SuperBee data, just for giggles and laughs (not). It would appear in less than 1 months time frame VON's were incredibly far apart, when just looking at two examples. Although not the LR plant, this would suggest the 'A' was randomly assigned to whatever vehicle was parked in front of the worker, or file on someone's desk at the time. I don't know at what stage the 'A' would be assigned to any vehicle. Perhaps, it's long before anyone on the line sees the vehicle. Total chaos in my view, which would help to explain why they changed things in '69. Ok then... I am passed sensing how freak'n frustrating this is. lol. I will log VINs and SPDs, as per your sage advise, then try to make sense of it all later. Peace :) al.
 
moparnation74 said:
Not all tags were attached to the body during painting. Plants did things differently. Some plants the tags were hung in the front windshield area...
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My tag shows no signs of ever being bent for assembly & paint - so thank you for posting the comment about hanging tags from the windshield area - mine is a St Louis car. :thumbsup:
 
Mine also a ST Louis car, but had the bend. Mine is a 69 GTX. I need to paint my screw!
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I'm wondering who makes the repro tags?
 
moparnation74 said:
Not all tags were attached to the body during painting. Plants did things differently. Some plants the tags were hung in the front windshield area...
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You are absolutely correct, in stating that plants did things differently. If I've learned anything in all of my chaotic research to date, I've learned that! For this reason, I am limiting my remaining research to that of the Lynch Road plant, where my X was built. This way, I eliminate all of the other unknown variables, that may apply to someone else's 'identical' Mopar, built in another plant (a tag I would obviously love to see, for research purposes) but even in such a close matching scenario, one or more, of our vehicle's shared options (may or may not) have been stamped in my particular LR fender tag. This is a little beyond, what you were talking about, but your knowledge of such matters, inspired me to write just a little more than was necessary here. I do tend to ramble on. lol. So, I will come back to your original comments. No one, I have talked to before, has ever mentioned the fender tags, not being affixed to the body, prior to paint, or entering the remaining production line in some plants. Just another variable to add to one's book of knowledge. Thank-you for sharing :)
 
Thank-you for the fender tag pics everyone! More 1968 "Lynch Road" tag pics would be GREAT for this research project, especially those of you having a VIN similar to RS23LA229600.

Keep On Rock'n :)
 
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