Galin govier report?

[Doubleclutch]

Does anyone know if paint color is considered in a "one of one" report. I'm reading a ad for a car that states GG report is a "one of one". Then goes on to report only a 5% chance of finding a similar vin with the same combination of options?

It seems like "one of one" applies only to options. What does the 5% sentence mean?

Also there are some very minor options like inside hood release? Are the options weighted in any way? Would twin cars with one having the inside hood release both be "one of one"?

Thanks this is all new to me.

 

[64 Post]

Please... don't put a lot of faith in the name Galen Govier or in the reports. A 'one of one' only means it's the only one he knows about or that is in his database.

If you break a car down enough by colors and options a lot of cars could be considered one of one built. Take A12 cars in F6 green for example. Then break it down further with a 4 speed. Further again with a black vinyl top. And again with a white interior. And so on, and so on. It's all a concerted effort to make the car appear more rare and valuable to the buyer/seller.

 

[RustyRatRod]

Please... don't put a lot of faith in the name Galen Govier or in the reports.......

That's a true understatement if ever I read one.

 

[roadrunnerman]

One of one would mean that a car RR,charger,super bee would have to have one certain option that no other car of same year and model doesn't have. Inside hood releases were common on all b-bodies after the early 70's. 5% means that of all the say 73 RR's made that year, only 5% had that certain option like a 440 engine. does the ad say what that one of one option is? If you call galen and ask him, he will probably have that car in his records and tell you. he might send you the report if you prove ownership of the car. Good luck.

 

[64 Post]

That's a true understatement if ever I read one.

I'm trying to be more PC this time around. When I last spent time here I nearly got bounced for offending the resident build sheet forger.

 

[Dennis H]

That's a true understatement if ever I read one.

I third the second. If anyone talks with Galen, tell him that I put a Sun Tach on the column using a rusty hose clamp. He will appreciate that.

 

[Cranky]

I'm trying to be more PC this time around. When I last spent time here I nearly got bounced for offending the resident build sheet forger.

I know how that goes. I got canned over on that 'other' board just for making a suggestion on something that I thought would make the board a better place. I mean geez. I got banned 3 times and really haven't been active there in 10 years since the last banning.

 

[64 Post]

I third the second. If anyone talks with Galen, tell him that I put a Sun Tach on the column using a rusty hose clamp. He will appreciate that.

Ahhh... but is the hose clamp numbers matching? :rolling:

 

[Doubleclutch]

OK I didn't buy the one mentioned above. I just mentioned it because the car is similar to the one I bought and had the G/G report quoted. I didn't pay for "rarity" other than the age and condition. I bought a 73 Roadrunner with 52k miles always garaged, and with windshield sticker and original spare never on the ground. The sticker shows $3,000 base and has another $2000 in options, GTX, 440, appearance package, slapshift, Ft disks, ect. The hood release was on the sticker with a minor price--thats why I mentioned it. I'm still going to get the G/G report ps will pass along the tack on the column comment.

No rush-- working on Ins and tag ect.

 

[super-bee_ski]

Please... don't put a lot of faith in the name Galen Govier or in the reports. A 'one of one' only means it's the only one he knows about or that is in his database.

If you break a car down enough by colors and options a lot of cars could be considered one of one built. Take A12 cars in F6 green for example. Then break it down further with a 4 speed. Further again with a black vinyl top. And again with a white interior. And so on, and so on. It's all a concerted effort to make the car appear more rare and valuable to the buyer/seller.

Not to "BASH" anyone BUT:
Mr. G.G told a very good friend of mine his 71 Cuda interior "was not correct"
Yet, my "Bud" bought the car brand new and never touched it!

 

[roadrunnerman]

Haven't had anything to do with G.G. in years but i hope he ate his words when your bud told him it was original interior.

 

[RustyRatRod]

Not to "BASH" anyone BUT:
Mr. G.G told a very good friend of mine his 71 Cuda interior "was not correct"
Yet, my "Bud" bought the car brand new and never touched it!

Had a friend have a very similar experience with him. Barry Jones, my good friend has an original 66 Hemi Charger. We've all known of that car because it originally sold in Warner Robins, Georgia, so the car was well known. The original owner traded it in 1970. Barry bought the car from the dealer in 1970, pulled the original engine, stuffed it back and went racing with a NOM Hemi. Fast forward to about ten or so years ago. Barry was at Carlisle and happen to strike up a conversation with GG about Hemi cars. Told him about the car he had. Somehow, they got on the subject of torque boxes......which Barry's car has none. GG told him it wasn't an original Hemi car with no torque boxes......yet the fender tag and VIN both say it is. Not to mention the mountain of paperwork Barry has documenting the car and the fact that there are people who remember the car well when it was new. Don't get me wrong, Galen is a mountain of knowledge for sure. Probably knows more about Mopar than anyone......but he ain't always right.

 

[super-bee_ski]

Yeah,
The "MOPAR" community built that "GOD"
He is human and humans make mistakes...
BUT: If he told someone that their car was "not a hemi car" or something like that, it has a dire impact on the financial statement of what the car is worth.
His mistake could have branded someones car a clone/fake or worse, the owner "trying to pass off a bogus car"

 

[Bruzilla]

I remember all the frakus that erupted when undocumented Superbirds started showing up in the late-1980s and early 1990s. As the prices went up, and folks started taking an interest in them, it turned out there were more of them made than originally thought. Some had been made for the government for use by the FAA, some had been special made for racing, etc. People seem to forget our cars were made back in the days before electronic record keeping, and when records are nothing more than a sheet or two of paper at a factory, they can get lost. They also don't consider that when a worker has to push "X" number of cars a day down the assembly line, and they run out of something, they'll substitute whatever they do have for the missing part. They're cranking out mass-produced cars, not fine art, so the idea that anyone can say what is "correct from the factory" is a bit of fantasy.

 

[64 Post]

IMO, GG's 'expertise' is in the 68-71 cars; not so much in Maxies, 864s or 990s.

 

[WP29440SE]

i will just rate this thread a 10. enuff said

the "period correct" "numbers matching" hose clamp comments were hilarious lmfao
im grateful that there was that one guy that happen to be on every assembly at the same time who knows exactly what did and didnt happen ..... yeah. ok .

now thats enuff said...

 

[YY1]

If you've ever seen a ford "marti" report, it's kinda the same thing.

"Your car is one of one 1973 notchback mustangs ordered with lime green paint, 302-2v, automatic transmission, green interior, sport hubcaps, intermittant wipers, and rear window defroster."

- - - Updated - - -

...and I have a stewart-warner tach hose clamped to my steering column, thank you very much!

 

[64 Post]

They're cranking out mass-produced cars, not fine art, so the idea that anyone can say what is "correct from the factory" is a bit of fantasy.

Well, I'm certainly guilty of that on occasion. However, I use the term 'consistent with production standards.' I recognize there were variances on the production line in order to keep the line moving. But those variances were the exception not the norm and were confined to just a small percentage of the cars built.

Most guys know that Hemi E bodies came with black wrinkle finished valve covers. What if you saw a 100% restored car with chrome or orange covers that the owner claimed were factory? Would it be correct?

Just had a pissing match on another forum over the correct color for Max Wedge air cleaners.

 

[Budnicks]

:iamwithstupid: unfortunately way too many people in the Mopar world put G/G on a big *** pedestal, they created a freaken' monster & it went to his head, he's wrong some of times & doesn't retract his comments very often, that I know of anyway & I think his reputation has a very large blemish on it now, because of it too, he's not the be all end all {in my eyes anyway}, some people will think he is, but he is just a very well paid Mopar Guru/Research Expert {supposedly}, that has a large data base, that isn't 100% correct all the time, that has allegedly been involved in some very costly car controversies, in the past, some are just Internet/Forum/Auction rumors too... There are so many different things that happened, at the many assembly lines, that don't match, what it's supposed to, you can't say with 100% accuracy ever, that some part has to be on some specific line/model of cars, that were mass produced on an assembly line, let alone all the stuff done in marketing or at the dealership levels either, unless you were there & saw/purchased it yourself, otherwise it's just an opinion from a knowledgeable person... IMHO & I will leave it at that...

 

[696pack]

I'm trying to be more PC this time around. When I last spent time here I nearly got bounced for offending the resident build sheet forger.

Sorry you got that impression. Certainly no one around here is going to ban you for good healthy conversation/argument. This site is WAY different than Moparts which if you offend the clicke' you are gone. Myself and many others here have been banned there multiple times.

This site is not full of number Nazis and you will find that most here are about just enjoying the cars weather they are OEM or day 2. In fact, I will bet that if a poll were taken here that you would find that more people would prefer to own a day 2 car than a totally out of the box factory looking car. That holds true for the hobby in general, the purist are really in the minority.

Regarding GG, he makes many mistakes and unfortunately people put too much stock in his OPINION and it can be costly to sellers/buyers alike if they put too much stock in what he says.