Good Stuff is Still Out There

[Bruzilla]

:iamwithstupid: Prop very well said, agree pretty much 100%, here in California, southwest & parts of the southeast or in Florida we are kind of lucky to have some more of the survivor cars still available with out total rust bucket repairs {still some thou}, other parts of the country not so lucky unfortunately... But we have to deal with all the high prices, the masses of population & the rest of the BS that come with living in California & Florida warmer type climates too... Prop, Now that you brought it up, I don't think, I've seen any younger X-Box generation youth/people, driving any classics, of any kind lately, let alone the much more rare & costly MoPar's... we have some bad snow & stuff too thou, 9" of snow @ 2500ft elevation in about 4 hrs time, Tuesday allot more in the high country, I was up at Twain Harte at my Uncles house, we were playing cards & got about 18" of snow in that same 4 hr period of time Tuesday 2-19-2013, that nasty storm is making it's way East, as we speak... stay warm guys/gals

I sure wish someone would tell me where all these rust-free cars are down here in Florida. YY1, how often do you come across rust free cars down here? I know that Fury was the first I've seen. The rest of them are all about to what degree they are rusted out. With salt water on three sides of us, and close by, I think our cars see salt year round instead of just during the winter like those lucky northern guys get.

 

[Budnicks]

Rust Free yeah right

I sure wish someone would tell me where all these rust-free cars are down here in Florida. YY1, how often do you come across rust free cars down here? I know that Fury was the first I've seen. The rest of them are all about to what degree they are rusted out. With salt water on three sides of us, and close by, I think our cars see salt year round instead of just during the winter like those lucky northern guys get.

Yeah I wish we had Rust Free, they are extremely rare, even here, unless they were kept in a temperature & humidity controlled garage, then driven into in a hermetically sealed bag 40 years ago, if not, then they ain't rust free... I didn't say rust free anything, I actually said "we have some more of the survivor cars still available, with out total rust bucket repairs... semantics I know...LOL...

 

[Bruzilla]

The subject of your theory mentioned is not that type of car. Maybe I got off base but I thought the basis was about a decent looking, running/driving mopar for a low budget. A rusted up Chevelle going down the road is a different ball game. Pick one up, do a little brake/engine/suspension work for a couple grand and your rolling. I totally agree that is feasible, but as far as spending 6K total project cost on something around here...well, most would refrain to pulling into a car show or brag about how decent their car looks, because honestly most wouldn't be too receptive to that concept.

I really wish I had taken pics of my car when I first saw it. No front clip, no windshield, dents on the roof and fenders from where a tree had fallen on it, lots of rust spots and dings, no interior, dash pad busted to pieces, a crunched quarter with bondo and rust showing... it was so bad I got back in my car and left so fast the owner didn't have time to walk up to his barn garage to talk to me! The only reason I went back was by the time I got back into cell coverage he was calling me and apologizing for missing me and asking if I would come back. I figured since I had driven all that way I might as well talk to him and I'm very glad I did. Even so, it used to embarrass the hell out of me having that car sitting in my driveway looking like that. I would go out and work on it, and guys would come by and say "that's an awesome car!" and I would say "not yet but it will be." They saw greatness, I saw rust, dents, dings, no interior, and on and on. So to your point, what is a "nice" or "decent" car? I suspect your's and my definition would be much different from that of a younger person getting into the hobby.

My neighbor's Chevelle is, in my opinion, a rusted out POS, but to him it's a work in progress and a thing of beauty. I look at it and see 40 year old paint flaking, dents, dings, rusted quarters and doors, and missing grill, and he sees one hell of a great ride. I suspect the guy who sold me that dirty, dingy, ragged-out 73 GTX back in 1979 thought the same way about me when I bought that car. I didn't see the dirt, dings, dents, or engine about to crap out. I saw a freakin' 73 Road Runner with a 440 and all the good times I was going to have.

 

[Propwash]

Come on now....Below is after a 2 minute search on Search Tempest on Craigslist. And Budnicks did not mention "Rust Free" anything like you quoted out of context...He mentioned more around and less total rust buckets.

here in California, southwest & parts of the southeast or in Florida we are kind of lucky to have some more of the survivor cars still available with out total rust bucket repairs

You have no idea how good you have it Bruzilla


http://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/3564610275.html
http://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/3572000107.html
http://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/3632445564.html
http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/3592824310.html
http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/3545345629.html
http://miami.craigslist.org/pbc/pts/3572767057.html
http://miami.craigslist.org/brw/pts/3524533720.html
http://lakeland.craigslist.org/cto/3589484749.html
http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/3549754694.html
http://savannah.craigslist.org/cto/3601858711.html
http://okaloosa.craigslist.org/cto/3487889156.html
http://mobile.craigslist.org/cto/3579770659.html


Never the less you did come in out in the end with a good looking plymouth for a low cost. I wish I could spread the same ambition to the local youth, but it's got to be a lot more select with what they may be able to afford and the end result.

 

[Budnicks]

My neighbor's Chevelle is, in my opinion, a rusted out POS, but to him it's a work in progress and a thing of beauty. I look at it and see 40 year old paint flaking, dents, dings, rusted quarters and doors, and missing grill, and he sees one hell of a great ride. I suspect the guy who sold me that dirty, dingy, ragged-out 73 GTX back in 1979 thought the same way about me when I bought that car. I didn't see the dirt, dings, dents, or engine about to crap out. I saw a freakin' 73 Road Runner with a 440 and all the good times I was going to have.

BINGO we have a winner... Yep & That's why we do, what we do...LOL... We are all still 16 at heart, but the body & mind, well that's a whole different story all together...

 

[69_CoronetR/T]

I'm 15 years old, just bought my '69 R/T back in October. I'm doing all of the resto myself, and my dad said he'd help me out if I found parts for a good deal and didnt have money at the time or whatever, but for the most part I'm going to be funding it myself with the help of a summer job working construction.

This all started about last July or so when I told my dad I wanted an old car to fix up, preferably a moparheadbang, so I started looking. I found some things, like a beat 1970 charger, a '69 super bee 383 4 speed(rusted to hell), and finally my R/T. When I first saw it, I immediately saw opportunites and teenage fun, so I made sure it would end up in my driveway.

440/4bbl, auto(gonna convert to TKO600), B5 blue, buckets
My dream car at age 15

I posted this just so you guys can see, there ARE still youth in the mopar scene, you just need to find the right kid!

 

[Leduc'sMopars]

I have to say regarding what Bruzilla said about his neighbor's chevelle I'm in that situation right now. I'm 16 and last march I bought my 69 roadrunner. My dad was the one who found the car. First time I saw it the poor thing it was tucked in the back corner of a body shop under a pile of late model car parts covered in a layer of dust with rat turds, missing the seats and just about every piece of trim and the body doesn't have one decent panel. He was looking at it for parts to convert the 68 satellite to a 4 speed but I saw past how it looked and saw it's potential. You'd never believe that thing only has 39,000 miles on it and is a two owner car with the original drivetrain that he had runnine 4 or 5 years ago. After reading the tag and looking at it closer I decided I had to have it for myself. I made a deal with the owner and had that car at my house for a total of 2,040 including delivery across town. The ugly beat to death hulk I have is my dream car and I can see its potential even though some other people can;t, I can look at a nice runner and say to myself if I work at it long enough mine can look like that some day. No I don't have the 20k like Propwash said it would take to have a restored car, but if I use what little money I get from work and other things wisely it can eventually add up and it will become a nice car. No it doesn't have to be a 100% factory correct oem 100 point restoration, it just has to make me happy. Only person I bought it to impress is myself.

And yeah I guess I can consider this a barn find since the previous owner had it since 71 and it didnt see the light of day in atleast a decade.

 

[tallhair]

nice story and thanks for sharing

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Cool 1st car!

 

[YY1]

Being from Ohio, I was used to seeing cars with severe rust over the rear wheel wells and sometimes 8 inches or more up the rear of the quarters.

I actually did think FL would be virtually rust free because of the lack of salt on the roads.

Little did I realize that FL salt comes from the sky, and consequently lots of cars are rusted around the windshield, or the dutchman, not to mention the difficult to repair cowl.

On my trip to North Texas, I noticed LOTS of cars (actually most of the cars were suspiciously missing) and especially say, 25 and 3500 series trucks and service vehicles (and appliances, even a water tower) just sitting with burt off paint (but no rust) and cooked interiors. If you want a rust free 1930's school bus or 50's tow truck, there's one every 25 miles

 

[Bruzilla]

C'mon Prop! Are you serious? You really want to make a case with most of those cars you listed. Aye carumba! I could do a similar list from cars from around my old stomping grounds up in Pennsylvania and Ohio!

I think Leduc'sMopar is right smack dab on the money in regards to the folks I think we really need to be seeking out and helping. He's right in that ideal price range of $1,000 to $2,000 that folks who are starting out have to invest, and I'm thrilled to see the attitude he's expressing! Like I told the guy who did my paint and bodywork, there's only one person who has to like the work that you do, and that's me. If folks like this got all wrapped up around the axle on restoration costs, they would turn around and run towards the nearest mid-90s Toyota or Honda.

Leduc'sMopar and 69_CoronetRT, you guys are doing it right and a credit to your generation! I hope we can really help you guys out.

 

[Propwash]

I really don't see the need to further plead a case or take anymore of my time to do so Bruzilla. You have your opinion, I have mine....Leaving it at that would probably be the sportsman like way to go. Generally I think you have a good concept, but I don't agree it can be applied universally.

 

[YY1]

Another RARE 74 slant six Duster?

One of only 150,000 made?

Did you guys see the link I posted in the 66 Charger advice thread?

If I had cash to spend on a(nother) done/survivor car, I'd DAMN sure be on the way over to pick that one up.

http://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/3621507472.html

 

[Budnicks]

I'm 15 years old, just bought my '69 R/T back in October. I'm doing all of the resto myself, and my dad said he'd help me out if I found parts for a good deal and didnt have money at the time or whatever, but for the most part I'm going to be funding it myself with the help of a summer job working construction.

This all started about last July or so when I told my dad I wanted an old car to fix up, preferably a moparheadbang, so I started looking. I found some things, like a beat 1970 charger, a '69 super bee 383 4 speed(rusted to hell), and finally my R/T. When I first saw it, I immediately saw opportunites and teenage fun, so I made sure it would end up in my driveway.

440/4bbl, auto(gonna convert to TKO600), B5 blue, buckets
My dream car at age 15

I posted this just so you guys can see, there ARE still youth in the mopar scene, you just need to find the right kid!

69_CoronetR/T, We could use allot more, like you too... Good luck with the 1969 R/T project... Be really "extremely nice to your dad", he's doing a great thing for you.... Have fun that's what it's all about...

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The ugly beat to death hulk I have is my dream car and I can see its potential even though some other people can;t, I can look at a nice runner and say to myself if I work at it long enough mine can look like that some day. No I don't have the 20k like Propwash said it would take to have a restored car, but if I use what little money I get from work and other things wisely it can eventually add up and it will become a nice car. No it doesn't have to be a 100% factory correct oem 100 point restoration, it just has to make me happy. Only person I bought it to impress is myself.

Leduc'sMopars, Good luck with your new toy, we need allot more youth like you, to get into the hobby... And your right, "not all cars need to be completely restored" either, some are just survivors & need some TLC, a repaint, some interior work, some frame or suspension &/or engine/transmission repairs, some trim, some sheet metal, some glass or what ever, your right you don't have to restore it 100% {I think, Propwash was just saying what it will ultimately cost, to restore it 100%, he's just educating/helping the masses, with his vast knowledge}, you can do just a little at a time, learn while you go... IMHO just make sure it's safe for the road, before it actually hits the road, including the frame, suspension, brakes, tires, glass, wipers, seats & seat belts, running properly, etc... Have fun, building the project, that's what it's all about....

 

[Mr.SpeedFreak]

I just turned 21, and as far as my younger generation goes, the key ingredients lacking with most of us are the dedication and ambition (IMHO) but it's awesome to see the few people my age working on old muscle cars, especially mopars. :icon_thumleft: I think it's just more work than many are willing to do. It's easier to buy a honda/subaru/nissan/-insert commonly riced out car here- slap a wing on the back and call it good. :sFun_doh2:

It took me a year of craigslisting and a lot of luck to find my '69 Charger project, and in regards to good stuff still being out there it was sitting next to a '70 GTX when I found it, what're those odds? :urkidding: But I was fully dedicated to finding one and following through with building it. "There's no substitute for hard work"

And also as far as cool stuff being out there, I met the owner of this triple-black challenger r/t at a car show last summer, and turns out he bought it from a little old lady who was using it as her daily grocery-getter in a pretty remote little town here in Oregon. She wanted to sell it but, being an elderly person of little experience with the internet, just parked it at the end of her driveway in the middle of BFE nowhere with a "for sale" sign in the window. One of the coolest "barn find" type discoveries I've heard in a while