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Header install questions...could be dumb ones.

A large "ticking" noise when the engine was running! ha ha ha
I also wrapped the header with Be-cool wrap to try to save the starter, which it did, but think its hard on the headers. Did not wrap the new ones.
 
Gpuller;luv the headers! Do not scrap those;they should hang proudly on a garage wall inviting interesting conversation. Of course;and smart-*** comments from,uh,"friends".
 
Too late, scrapped the junk one last summer. Keep the passenger side because it was in good shape yet. No idea why I kept it, never know when you might need a used passenger side header! ha ha ha
 
All right...question time.

Went to raise the right side of the motor;put a block of wood on a floor jack and against the oil pan rail-yes,the two frame/mount nuts were removed-and I got it to a certain point and...the whole car started lifting. So,I know the trans is hitting the tunnel or sumpin'. Do I have to remove the driver's side nuts and raise the whole thing? I only need to tilt the mill over to remove the manifold/install header and I'm so effin' close! Almost got the manifold off;the bloody thing won't clear the studs on #'s 4 and 6 cylinders. And,I ain't beating on the shock tower for clearance! OK,62-65 gurus,please help!

Thanks,as always!
 
Gotta do what ya gotta do:idea1:Look to see what's hangin' up.Might have to unbolt trans mount and other motor mount.
 
Or take the drivers side header back off to give the engine room to move.Headers i generally try to do both at the same time.
 
Or take the drivers side header back off to give the engine room to move.Headers i generally try to do both at the same time.

Something tells me Al doesn't want to think about taking the other header off. :icon_axe:
 
Something tells me Al doesn't want to think about taking the other header off. :icon_axe:


LMAO!!! Actually,I may pull the driver's side piece off for a little "adjustment". It's contacting the torsion bar and the front of the starter. I'm going to try to just remove the pipes,not the starter,and drop them enough to do a "bang-bang here and a bang-bang-there" and get them back up. It actually wasn't too difficult to get the header and starter in place together,considering that the mini-starter weighs a helluva lot less than the OEM unit.

Now,for the interference issue...When I tilted the mill the first time,I did get out from under the car and looked to see what hit what. The driver's side header DID NOT hit anything to cause the engine to stop moving. I may loosen the drivers side nuts to allow that side of the engine to "rise",without coming completely off the frame. Remember,I'm stuck using a floor jack,as there's NO room to get a hoist in place. If I could do that,I'd pull the motor and trans up enough to install the pipes.

I'm heading down to the Detroit area to grab a 3.55 gear set;when I get back,it's into the garage,under the car and let the wrenches fly! I'll let you cats know what transpires. After all,this is an educational forum,right? Someone else may learn something from my adventures.
 
SUCCESS!!!

We have install! Came back from the road trip,headed out to the cave and tried again. Changed the position of the block of wood(moved it back a couple of inches on the pan rail),carefully jacked it up,and voila!,the old manifold came off. Now for the pipes... Went at it from below,had to move the trans dipstick tube,and in place they went. Almost too easy... There's plenty of clearance on the right side;I'm going to wait and see if the slight interference issues on the left side do become problems.

Some pics:
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Now I need to get the exhaust hooked up,and figure out the best way to get the spark plugs in. A few should be easy,but there's a couple that I'll have to install from below. Then there's the plug wires...a new set may be in order just to get the necessary length and clearance. Then on to resolving the nest of wires on the firewall.
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After a little paint touch-up and repaint of some components,it's looking a little more presentable under da hood. I won't be so embarrassed to pop the hood this year.
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Again,I thank you folks for help and advice,and hope I did a "pay-it-forward" and helped out someone else.
 
OK;one last follow-up,and a few of the lessons learned,so anyone else doing this can learn from my experiences.

First,headers get hot after running the car a bit. Very effin' hot. I've got two nice burns learning this truth. Let these things cool before doing more work,like tightening **** that you thought you had tight. Or;get some MechanixWear gloves,which I plan to do. Ouch.

Two;(this requires pics)you will more than likely require a mini-starter for just about any B/RB header install. On the good advice of member Wannadrag(thanks,bud),I got a unit for a Dodge Dakota with a 360 mill. This has a terminal addition that must be removed,as it will interfere with the block.
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ALSO!!!,you will need to cut about 1/8" off the end of the large stud(hiding under the plastic cover) in order to get the cable ends and the nut on. I tried to loosen the starter and couldn't get them on,so I pulled the header off(which allowed me to "adjust" a couple of clearance issues with a hammer),pulled the starter,and made the cut. I could have left a bit more material in;I wasn't able to use a lock washer,so I hope the blue Loctite holds. We'll see...

Third;I don't know of any headers(maybe TTI's;not these) with enough clearance behind tubes # 1 and 2 for a bolt,and barely a nut. Since I kept the original studs,a nut it was. However,I got a hammer(again) and a chisel,and made a strike on each pipe to give me a wee bit more clearance for the nut. When I put the pipes over the studs,I installed that nut(and washer) on first,with the flange just barely over the stud ends. Once I got the nut on,I finger-tightened it as I pushed the flange over the studs more. You need to do this gradually while spinning the nut,or it(the nut) will catch on the pipe and you'll get frustrated and say bad words.

I also got ACCEL asbestos sleeves to go over the plug boots and wires. They don't look cool,but they function(we'll see...);I prefer function. It was easier to route the plugs through(between) the pipes in some places. I also used a similar sleeve over the battery cable,as it also passes between to pipes. 'Twas the only way,for now,to get that on. I see a new cable in the future.
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Under the car,I was stuck with using a 2-1/2" adapter because of clearance issues again,and then had to fab an "S" bend right after the header. These pipes may have been meant for a 383;the collector is tight to the floor.
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The bends did fit rather neatly in the crossmember indents and then lined up with the old exhaust system. I do plan to weld the pieces together,and be able to unbolt the section at the header and slip it off at the other end if I need to remove it later. This was also quieter than I expected,must have got things sealed up well.


This was meant more for those who may have stumbled across this thread and can benefit from it-I hope. If you're one of those folks,read the advice given to me in this thread;it worked! Thanks again to those who offered help and tips.
 
Good read, I have a set going on a 63 Dodge 440.
 
SUCCESS!!!

Again,I thank you folks for help and advice,and hope I did a "pay-it-forward" and helped out someone else.

you sure did, Al....i thank you greatly...and to the rest of the chaps who responded to this thread i just found...

I JUST WISH I WOULD HAVE SEEN THIS THREAD A WEEK AGO!!!! LOL :laughing1:

{i know, mines a 68 and i took out stock stuff and put in stock stuff back in but...}

it all looks vaguely familiar though!!!! :glasses12:

just did my valve covers, cut out the exh manifold heat riser butterfly assy, and did a pass side motor mount too boot!!!
 
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