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Headlights which to use

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I've been following propwash's post and was wondering if anybody has used the halogen lights and if so how bright are they. I would just like to bring mine up to date with the more modern lighting and the halogens are pretty affordable. I haven't rulled out the hella headlights yet, they are just pretty expensive. Maybe someone knows where you can buy them (hella) for a better price, the ones I found where over 100.00 each. Thanks
 
747,

Below are a couple links for your reading enjoyment. Upgrading to a modern H4/H1 Halogen system will definitely improve your lighting. An updrade to the wiring to include heavier gauge wire is definitely recommended. Add a relay system to that, you'll really jump up and the days of dim lights at idle will be over.



http://www.fordmuscleforums.com/galaxie-pages/491235-68-galaxie-headlight-conversion-anyone.html

http://www.cbodydrydock.com/forum_viewtopic.php?5.143221.0

http://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/showthread.php?45328-Installing-Headlight-Relays-Lessons-Learned



As far as headlamp assemblys cheaper than the Hella's, see below. Heard they're not quite the quality of Hella's but work pretty well.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/330560901538?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

Hope this info helps you out.
 
Thanks for the info, looks like I need to except the fact that I won't be able to hide all of my wires. With the battery in the trunk I'll likely run a heavy wire from the alt to the radiator support where the relays will be mounted. I'm still a little confused on all the light terminology, what exactly is a hella, what's the difference between a halogen and a hella "sorry" before now I've just simply replaced my bulbs when they burned out and never really needed to know much about them. What commonly comes on most new cars?
 
Hella is brand name, which primarily builds its products out of Germany. Their market is headlamps, bulbs, relays...anything lighting. Unlike the common primary Bulb MFG's like Phillips, Sylvania...ect..ect, Hella makes not only bulbs but headlamp housings, and other lighting electronics as well. So, when you mention Halogen; Halogen is a type of lighting just like compact fluorescent, HID, LED, Metal Halide. Hella is a MFG of those types of lighting. Hope that makes sense..heck sometimes I confuse myself..lol
 
Some additional info about Hella brand E-code lamp systems and old Mopar wiring upgrades, first posted several years back in response to a similar question about the installation I was doing at the time on the RR/GTX;

"Hella was/is the OEM lighting/electrical supplier to the European car manufactures. In Europe back in the 70's & 80's, if it had round headlamps, these are the lamps the BMW's would have from the factory. They were illegal for use in the states at the time, (according to the labels on the box, still is, for off-road use only). Although no brighter than some of the high-end lighting you see running on the road today, I guess, back then American drivers couldn't handle them and needed government protection against them. My 03' Astro came with a lighting system similar in design to these, just with a stylized lamp reflector/housing.

The H4 and H1 bulbs are quartz-halogen available ranging from 55-100+ watts. Sealed beams, what 15-20 watts of lighting? The control of the light pattern is more precise with basically two lines, one horizontal and another angling up to the right, light pattern below on the road and shoulder. High beam, it's almost daylight.

Wiring? There are two points of concern with the stock wiring.
1. Voltage drop, I am in the process making a new headlamp harness that ups the wire size to 12 gauge. The lamps will have a dedicated ground as the stock wiring shares the headlamp grounds with all other lighting up front.
2. Current draw, relays will be installed near the starter relay to redirect the higher current away from the other parts of the stock headlight circuit. The bulkhead connectors, fuse block, dash wiring, headlight switch, high/low beam foot switch would all suffer an early demise if this extra current were allowed to pass through them.

I hope to have completed my wiring mod this week-end, for those interested I will post some pictures next week. In the meantime, when I was researching if I could still get these headlamps, I ran across several sites on the internet that had instructions for installations like this. Keyword search "Hella headlamps", you should hit on a ton of info. BTW, best price I found was at Summit Racing, about $54 ea. for the headlamps."----NOTE, that was back in '08, likely more now.

"Well I managed to finish the wiring mod today, here are some pics of the process and end result.
DSC01857r.jpg

DSC01858r.jpg

DSC01859r.jpg

DSC01861r.jpg

DSC01862r.jpg

DSC01864r.jpg

DSC08873r_zps4bbb0e84.jpg
"
 
Thanks for clearing that up guys, now the 2nd question. Are you running ballast because they are required for HID? I'm looking at Xenon lights right now which . I believe I'll be running relays regardless, one of the links you (propwash) gave me had some good info on voltage drop and how you can loose a large percentage of your light in even the factory configuration. I will be running an electric fan, air horn (Dixie and no I'm not building a general lee but my daughter loves the dukes so I thought she'd love it) and the lights all up front and all requiring relays. Because of all the wiring up front it has me thinking of scrounging the junk yards in search of a one of the distribution boxes that you find on newer cars to tidy it up a bit (they have fuses relays and all). Any particular reason you chose HID? Thanks for the input

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I'll be keeping my eye open for your results, looks good.
Some additional info about Hella brand E-code lamp systems and old Mopar wiring upgrades, first posted several years back in response to a similar question about the installation I was doing at the time on the RR/GTX;

"Hella was/is the OEM lighting/electrical supplier to the European car manufactures. In Europe back in the 70's & 80's, if it had round headlamps, these are the lamps the BMW's would have from the factory. They were illegal for use in the states at the time, (according to the labels on the box, still is, for off-road use only). Although no brighter than some of the high-end lighting you see running on the road today, I guess, back then American drivers couldn't handle them and needed government protection against them. My 03' Astro came with a lighting system similar in design to these, just with a stylized lamp reflector/housing.

The H4 and H1 bulbs are quartz-halogen available ranging from 55-100+ watts. Sealed beams, what 15-20 watts of lighting? The control of the light pattern is more precise with basically two lines, one horizontal and another angling up to the right, light pattern below on the road and shoulder. High beam, it's almost daylight.

Wiring? There are two points of concern with the stock wiring.
1. Voltage drop, I am in the process making a new headlamp harness that ups the wire size to 12 gauge. The lamps will have a dedicated ground as the stock wiring shares the headlamp grounds with all other lighting up front.
2. Current draw, relays will be installed near the starter relay to redirect the higher current away from the other parts of the stock headlight circuit. The bulkhead connectors, fuse block, dash wiring, headlight switch, high/low beam foot switch would all suffer an early demise if this extra current were allowed to pass through them.

I hope to have completed my wiring mod this week-end, for those interested I will post some pictures next week. In the meantime, when I was researching if I could still get these headlamps, I ran across several sites on the internet that had instructions for installations like this. Keyword search "Hella headlamps", you should hit on a ton of info. BTW, best price I found was at Summit Racing, about $54 ea. for the headlamps."----NOTE, that was back in '08, likely more now.

"Well I managed to finish the wiring mod today, here are some pics of the process and end result.
DSC01857r.jpg

DSC01858r.jpg

DSC01859r.jpg

DSC01861r.jpg

DSC01862r.jpg

DSC01864r.jpg

DSC08873r_zps4bbb0e84.jpg
"

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I'm also thinking I might have to build a heat shield for the inside of my headlight doors in case of a delayed opening (bigger cam=less vacuum+more heat). Just a thought
 
Great write up! I am keeping this for future reference. The upgrade is well worth it.

Some additional info about Hella brand E-code lamp systems and old Mopar wiring upgrades, first posted several years back in response to a similar question about the installation I was doing at the time on the RR/GTX;

"Hella was/is the OEM lighting/electrical supplier to the European car manufactures. In Europe back in the 70's & 80's, if it had round headlamps, these are the lamps the BMW's would have from the factory. They were illegal for use in the states at the time, (according to the labels on the box, still is, for off-road use only). Although no brighter than some of the high-end lighting you see running on the road today, I guess, back then American drivers couldn't handle them and needed government protection against them. My 03' Astro came with a lighting system similar in design to these, just with a stylized lamp reflector/housing.

The H4 and H1 bulbs are quartz-halogen available ranging from 55-100+ watts. Sealed beams, what 15-20 watts of lighting? The control of the light pattern is more precise with basically two lines, one horizontal and another angling up to the right, light pattern below on the road and shoulder. High beam, it's almost daylight.

Wiring? There are two points of concern with the stock wiring.
1. Voltage drop, I am in the process making a new headlamp harness that ups the wire size to 12 gauge. The lamps will have a dedicated ground as the stock wiring shares the headlamp grounds with all other lighting up front.
2. Current draw, relays will be installed near the starter relay to redirect the higher current away from the other parts of the stock headlight circuit. The bulkhead connectors, fuse block, dash wiring, headlight switch, high/low beam foot switch would all suffer an early demise if this extra current were allowed to pass through them.

I hope to have completed my wiring mod this week-end, for those interested I will post some pictures next week. In the meantime, when I was researching if I could still get these headlamps, I ran across several sites on the internet that had instructions for installations like this. Keyword search "Hella headlamps", you should hit on a ton of info. BTW, best price I found was at Summit Racing, about $54 ea. for the headlamps."----NOTE, that was back in '08, likely more now.

"Well I managed to finish the wiring mod today, here are some pics of the process and end result.
DSC01857r.jpg

DSC01858r.jpg

DSC01859r.jpg

DSC01861r.jpg

DSC01862r.jpg

DSC01864r.jpg

DSC08873r_zps4bbb0e84.jpg
"
 
Thanks for clearing that up guys, now the 2nd question. Are you running ballast because they are required for HID? I'm looking at Xenon lights right now which . I believe I'll be running relays regardless, one of the links you (propwash) gave me had some good info on voltage drop and how you can loose a large percentage of your light in even the factory configuration. I will be running an electric fan, air horn (Dixie and no I'm not building a general lee but my daughter loves the dukes so I thought she'd love it) and the lights all up front and all requiring relays. Because of all the wiring up front it has me thinking of scrounging the junk yards in search of a one of the distribution boxes that you find on newer cars to tidy it up a bit (they have fuses relays and all). Any particular reason you chose HID? Thanks for the input

- - - Updated - - -

I'll be keeping my eye open for your results, looks good.

- - - Updated - - -

I'm also thinking I might have to build a heat shield for the inside of my headlight doors in case of a delayed opening (bigger cam=less vacuum+more heat). Just a thought

Running the ballast because like you mentioned, they are required for HID. As far as why HID's? Well, few reasons. One, even though the initial 3-5 seconds of warm up suck a lot of juice, after that the draw much less power than their Halogen counterparts. Two, heat....these run a lot cooler than a halogen. With less power draw there is less stress on connections and a cooler running temp through the wires in general. Three, brightness...HID can produce up to three times as much brightness than their Halogen counterparts. I spent a bunch of time reading both sides of this and their has been a lot of debate. In the end, judging from independent tests as well as owner experience, it wasn't too hard to come to the conclusion they do have a higher light output. 4th, picking my color...There are a lot more options to pick from as far as the color spectrum. I opted for the 6000K because it seemed to have a real clear diamond white brightness as well as good light penetration. I guess lastly, I built Halogen redundancy into the system. If it comes to the point where HID's are just not for me, I already have the H4/H1 connectors and after about an hour of work I could easily convert to them. All it would take is splicing in at the power and ground at the ballast area on the harness and I would be running Halogens.

Your idea on visiting the bone yard is a good idea. Saving yourself some lute. Jegs and summit also sell a lot of different types universal electrical/wiring along those same lines as well.

http://www.jegs.com/c/Ignition-Electrical_Wiring-Wiring-Harnesses-Switches-Connectors-Breakers-Relays/10409/10002/-1

http://www.summitracing.com/search/department/ignitions-electrical
 
Those are good reasons and the cooler temps would be a plus for my headlight doors "I wood hate to have to fix them again". I have some thinking and researching to do. Thanks again
 
Hey no problem.....Glad I could toss my two cents in. I'll be posting up a full story from start to finish on the conversion once I wrap it up (hopefully this weekend) on my '69 RR's thread. I'll be sure to post up some of the resources where I got the parts, p/n's as well as photo's.
 
747,

Below are a couple links for your reading enjoyment. Upgrading to a modern H4/H1 Halogen system will definitely improve your lighting. An updrade to the wiring to include heavier gauge wire is definitely recommended. Add a relay system to that, you'll really jump up and the days of dim lights at idle will be over.

Hope this info helps you out.

thanks propwash
 
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