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Help! What motor is this?

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Ok guys, I need a little help Identifying an engine.
It must be an industrial motor, but would like to know exactly what it is.
And would it be good to use in a Charger?

The only numbers I can find on the block are at the rear above the pulleys in picture #5
Picture #8 shows the casting numbers on the exhaust manifold
Picture #9 shows casting numbers on the water pump
Any help is appreciated!

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The high mount fan/water pump tells me it's a motor home/industrial engine.....
 
The block number 2658836 dopes out to both a 413 and 426 Truck/ Industrial engine, though it's most likely a 413. The same casting number applies from '66 to '77
 
I think you could find a much better engine to put in your charger. The exhaust ports on those are completely different than normal heads, as I recall, as well as aftermarket pistons are difficult to say the least... Top that off with some were reverse rotation (again, its been awhile and the numbers guys would know better)
I'm sure someone near you would have a 383,400,440 cheap....
 
I have the same casting 413 in my Satellite, but I only used the bare block. These blocks are reverse rotation and chances are that it has the 8-bolt extended flange forged crankshaft. Mine did, anyway. The block and the rods are probably the only items on this type of engine interchangeable with regular RBs. And yes, that is an RB 2-bbl intake. Perhaps something for a 440+6 as an 'economy' option...:evil1:

SuperFly TNT
 
it's a stationary drive motor for sure. you can tell by the mounts on the "bell housing" and the lower front. Usually there was a hand clutch that you could engage after starting the engine. who knows, maybe they used an idler on that belt set-up. would be curious if within that bell housing the output is solidly linked to the crank/flywheel or it's a centrifugal clutch of some sort.

Could have been used as an irrigation pump motor, generator drive motor or even a tornado siren. My guess is that it's a 413. The airport in Bakersfield had a 354 stationary Hemi (might have been a 392) that it used to run a generator for various uses. Either way, as BB said, the are very different and you'd be better off to go another route. I would be curious to know the history of this workhorse. kinda cool...
 
get it running mount it on a trailer take it to the shows and run it
 
not something I personally would mess with , if it was free , I would sell it, unless you just want the block
 
I have yet to get confirmation on this......but, I believe the block and crank are also different. I remember reading somewhere that the industrial motors had a different measurement from the rear main register to the back of the crank flange and that the block was also different to accomodate this. I KNOW the heads and exhaust manifolds are totally different......and I am almost certain the intake is different somehow. There are just so many variables that I would simply look for an automotive engine and be done with it. not that what you have is useless. Lord knows it would be one hell of a generator engine.
 
Thanks everyone for the info. This engine belongs to a friend.
He bought it from an airport that had it rebuilt 20 years ago by Jasper. It's been in storage ever since and was never used.
Seems like if it is a counter rotating, It would not work in any auto or truck.
So if it is counter rotating how does that work?

I believe he is going to sell it. He told me that he checked it and it does spin and is not froze up.
What would something like this be worth?
 
I dont believe it's counter rotating, but it IS different in almost every respect from an automotive engine.
 
Most were gear drive, direct, crank to cam, weren't they? Like (again, if I'm remembering) a cornbinder? So, the cam would be reverse grind.
 
I really don't know. I am not familiar with them other than what I have read.
 
That distributor doesn't imply it's counter rotating.
 
I have yet to get confirmation on this......but, I believe the block and crank are also different. I remember reading somewhere that the industrial motors had a different measurement from the rear main register to the back of the crank flange and that the block was also different to accomodate this.

As I noted previously; I have the same casting 413 running in my Satellite. I will elaborate a bit more on this. The block is 2658836, but the rotating assembly I put in it is from a 'regular' 413 with the 6-bolt crankshaft flange. Yes, the measurement from the rear main seal register to the crank flange is different, but that is because the flange is extended more outward from the block. This will be a problem if you are looking for a transmission to fit to the back of this crank. I did a search on the internet once for the application of these cranks and somewhere it was mentioned that these cranks were also found in early Max Wedge engines, but I cannot verify this and I still think that the problem would arise of getting a transmission to properly attach to the block and crank. The flange on the crank in the Industrial 413s I had was flush on the transmission side.

The block is essentially the same as any other RB, with the difference in the additional strengthening ribs on the sides of the block for the 2658836. That is why the casting number is on the top rear at the bellhousing flange. The ID pad on the front if the engine will be stamped similar to regular passenger car engines. The 413 in my Satellite is stamped G413, which makes it a '71. The other Industrial 413 I had a few years back was casting 1852029 and was stamped V41, which would have made it a '64 model year engine. The number was cast on the side of the block, as on regular RBs. The rotating assembly, however, was exactly the same as on my '71 413. This engine would make a nice MW tribute engine with almost all the markings for a 62 MW engine (AAQA on the front, 1852029 casting number), but the V41 would and single R cast on the front (not R2 or R3) would definitely rule it out as a correct engine.

The engine is most likely reverse rotation, with the rotation being different on the camshaft (not the crankshaft). Both the Industrial 413s I had, had the direct drive camshaft sprocket. I don't think that the timing chain was used on the Industrial engines until the 413 was replaced by the 440. The crankshaft is normal rotation, just the camshaft is driven directly by the crankshaft. There is no layout change between Industrial engines and regular engines to accommodate this sprocket and I can confirm that you can use a regular camshaft with timing chain etc. on this Industrial engine, too. Just strip the engine to the bare block and treat it as a regular engine during a build.

As for the casting number being the same for 413s and 426s; I suspect Chrysler having done the same for the 361/383 Industrial engine at some point in time. A guy here in Holland has a 69 Coronet 4dr, Original /6, which he converted to a 383. Casting number actually says it's a 361 Industrial engine. Since the 383 was also rebuilt at the time and bored to +0.030, I think that the 361 Industrial engines with the same casting number was cast with molds from a 383, but with the bore of a standard 361 to achieve a thicker cylinder wall thickness. I did not sonic check my 2658836 block, but perhaps someone can check this block to see what the cylinder wall thickness is and to verify if it is a 426 block, but with the bore of a 413. I did see a block for sale once with casting 2658836 and stamped as a 426. I believe it was on this forum, actually.

SuperFly TNT
 
Based on the fan that's on it, it spins in a normal rotation but that won't matter if all you are using is the short block....
 
THANK YOU! You are the first person to really address this that knew for sure. I appreciate that.

As I noted previously; I have the same casting 413 running in my Satellite. I will elaborate a bit more on this. The block is 2658836, but the rotating assembly I put in it is from a 'regular' 413 with the 6-bolt crankshaft flange. Yes, the measurement from the rear main seal register to the crank flange is different, but that is because the flange is extended more outward from the block. This will be a problem if you are looking for a transmission to fit to the back of this crank. I did a search on the internet once for the application of these cranks and somewhere it was mentioned that these cranks were also found in early Max Wedge engines, but I cannot verify this and I still think that the problem would arise of getting a transmission to properly attach to the block and crank. The flange on the crank in the Industrial 413s I had was flush on the transmission side.

The block is essentially the same as any other RB, with the difference in the additional strengthening ribs on the sides of the block for the 2658836. That is why the casting number is on the top rear at the bellhousing flange. The ID pad on the front if the engine will be stamped similar to regular passenger car engines. The 413 in my Satellite is stamped G413, which makes it a '71. The other Industrial 413 I had a few years back was casting 1852029 and was stamped V41, which would have made it a '64 model year engine. The number was cast on the side of the block, as on regular RBs. The rotating assembly, however, was exactly the same as on my '71 413. This engine would make a nice MW tribute engine with almost all the markings for a 62 MW engine (AAQA on the front, 1852029 casting number), but the V41 would and single R cast on the front (not R2 or R3) would definitely rule it out as a correct engine.

The engine is most likely reverse rotation, with the rotation being different on the camshaft (not the crankshaft). Both the Industrial 413s I had, had the direct drive camshaft sprocket. I don't think that the timing chain was used on the Industrial engines until the 413 was replaced by the 440. The crankshaft is normal rotation, just the camshaft is driven directly by the crankshaft. There is no layout change between Industrial engines and regular engines to accommodate this sprocket and I can confirm that you can use a regular camshaft with timing chain etc. on this Industrial engine, too. Just strip the engine to the bare block and treat it as a regular engine during a build.

As for the casting number being the same for 413s and 426s; I suspect Chrysler having done the same for the 361/383 Industrial engine at some point in time. A guy here in Holland has a 69 Coronet 4dr, Original /6, which he converted to a 383. Casting number actually says it's a 361 Industrial engine. Since the 383 was also rebuilt at the time and bored to +0.030, I think that the 361 Industrial engines with the same casting number was cast with molds from a 383, but with the bore of a standard 361 to achieve a thicker cylinder wall thickness. I did not sonic check my 2658836 block, but perhaps someone can check this block to see what the cylinder wall thickness is and to verify if it is a 426 block, but with the bore of a 413. I did see a block for sale once with casting 2658836 and stamped as a 426. I believe it was on this forum, actually.

SuperFly TNT
 
Thanks everyone for the info. This engine belongs to a friend.
He bought it from an airport that had it rebuilt 20 years ago by Jasper. It's been in storage ever since and was never used.
Seems like if it is a counter rotating, It would not work in any auto or truck.
So if it is counter rotating how does that work?

I believe he is going to sell it. He told me that he checked it and it does spin and is not froze up.
What would something like this be worth?
hey the distribtor looks to have a govenor attached to it , that would make one hell of a power plant for a BRUSH CHIPPER, wood chipper, that would B SIR C-H-O-M-P-S A LOT ! ! ! and then some
 
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