Hope I didn't shoot myself in the foot.....

[SUPERSTOCKRACER]

SSracer that first shot is one bad *** picture!!!!

That pass was a 1.27 60 foot.9.70 et that what was told to me. That was the old pump gas motor

 

[696pack]

I'm not a fan of big wheelies either.....pulling em 8" and having a gentle landing is good enough. Imo, anything more than that is wasted motion. Looks cool tho lol

According to Dick Landy back in the day any wheelie is a waste of power and he said that the entire car should lift not just the front end.

 

[Furyous]

:frog:

According to Dick Landy back in the day any wheelie is a waste of power and he said that the entire car should lift not just the front end.

Sounds like Dick did not know everything....

 

[SUPERSTOCKRACER]

if I go up a foot and a half that works for me
that's usually my best 60 foot times

 

[67 coronet]

as long as you get a soft landing,and dont unload the rear tires with a hard landing,you can go 3 feet high if you want.the momentum loss for going up is offset by comming back down.simple physics.have all the fun you can handle.

 

[696pack]

:frog:

Sounds like Dick did not know everything....

Not sure what kind of times you would turn in the same class as old Dick but here is what he had to say back in the day.

Here is some old school info for you guys that should still be good today. As many of you know back in the day when both Dick Landy and Sox & Martin were factory sponsored racers they would put on car clinics at the local Dodge and Plymouth dealers in locations close to where they were racing at any given time. The factory sales rep would call these local dealers and ask if the dealership would like to have them and the dealerships would call their customers to attend..
These guys would freely give tips of how they modified their cars for better performance.

Landy was also interviewed by Hotrod Magazine back in the late 60s/early 70s in an article called "Blueprint for a Trick Chassis" here is what he had to say about some of the things you guys are discussing.

"We race Super Stock Dodges and it isn't necessary to do much to the chassis. If you try to do too much it hurts you E.T. Don't raise the front of the car, it should be left at stock height. The whole car should rise on take off not just the front end. Most of the adjustments to make the car rise are done on the rear springs but we do a few tricks to the front suspension to loosen it up. 6 cylinder torsion bars, Sway bar brackets are cut with a hacksaw to allowed to spread a little to relieve the clamp pressure on the rubber bushing and then weld them back together. It lets the rod turn easier so the front of the car comes up faster on take off.
When the front of the car drops after a burn out or when I have to get off of the throttle, the front end can bottom out, so we use the larger C body snubbers on the lower control arms.
We don't want the front of the car rising any more than the rear. Most wheelies are from jerking the front end into the air because the front suspension runs out of travel. That kind of wheelie is the worst thing you can do. It sends a shock load through the whole chassis and ruins traction. You want to PUSH the front end into the air not JERK it off the ground. Notice how long it takes for front end to come back to earth. When the front end is pushed into a wheelie it settles slowly with the front tires just brushing the strip, held up by the acceleration."

 

[Budnicks]

696PAK I don't disagree at all, but yeah that was old tire compounds, old fuel systems & carbs, out dated electronics & ignitions, old shock & suspension technology too, acid dipped sheet metal &/or using parts that were regulated by the sanctioning bodies, for the S/S classes, yeah he's right in many ways & yes it still can work with, the stock type front suspension & S/S rear leaf springs, 9"-10" wide & 29"-30" tall stiff side wall slicks, tight 10"-11" converters & other trans old "heavy" type internal components.... it's a completely different ball game with bigger/wide tires w/much better traction compounds, that we have now, way better loose 8"-9" converters, way better & lighter internals & trans-brakes, ladder bar or 4 link, coil over suspensions & tubular multi adjustable caster/camber control arms &/or struts, lighter weight carbon fiber/fiberglass body panels, aluminum heads & blocks, better carbs, fuel pumps & supply, better electronics & ignition systems, blah blah blah etc., but hell, IMHFO they were damn fast, for what they had to used & still fall within the rules for the class...

 

[SUPERSTOCKRACER]

Well here's the update.
1st pass went up just like I wanted with a 1.29 60 foot and carried the wheels perfectly.
Straight as an arrow.
2nd pass came up on the converter and came up a little higher around 3 feet. perfect
3rd pass same thing and 1.296 60 foot.
4th pass I came up to 3500 rpms on the converter and footbraked to 1.30 60 foot with a perfect wheelie 3.5 feet up and carried it all the way to the 60 foot. So my adjustments are perfect and i'm very happy. I'll leave it right there. now I cant wait to see the pictures of it leaving.

 

[Furyous]

Good job and an awesome car.

 

[SUPERSTOCKRACER]

I just redid the same thing to the 65 light blue dodge today.its time to get the wheels up with this car now.I put it in the same hole as my hemi belvedere.

 

[fwi]

Did somebody say wheelie?

 

[SUPERSTOCKRACER]

Did somebody say wheelie?View attachment 125221

thats what i dont want to do anymore.lol
this was too high..... it doesnt accomplish anything but....a WOW FACTOR

 

[Cranky]

as long as you get a soft landing,and dont unload the rear tires with a hard landing,you can go 3 feet high if you want.the momentum loss for going up is offset by comming back down.simple physics.have all the fun you can handle.

Huge wheelies? How fast is the vehicle moving when the car crosses the 60' mark and how high is the front end still? How much air is catching the under side of the car when it's at a 30 degree angle and how much air is starting to get rammed into the hood scoop when it's pretty much out of the air stream? I can understand why the Super Stock guys want them but if they were all that beneficial, why doesn't all the other fast and faster classes use the same physics?

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thats what i dont want to do anymore.lol
this was too high..... it doesnt accomplish anything but....a WOW FACTOR

Usually messes things up on the landing too. Iv'e seen very few cars do that without damage of some kind.....