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Hughes Engines is ripping people off (again)

What made you go there?

He was supposed to be a Mopar engine guru and claimed that nobody made more horsepower. Some other builders that I contacted used his parts so I thought that I would cut out the middle man. I doubt that they use his parts anymore.

In the future I would go to Stanton Racing. They back their work with no questions asked.
 
moparpat you need to hit the welcome wagon before this rant!
need to know more about you and your ride.:argue:

Sure thing. I added a picture of the car in question as my avatar picture. I haven't figured out how to upload pictures of my other Mopars.

1967 Dodge Coronet R/T - 440 - Numbers matching #3 of 57 made with options on car. Govier decoded. Fully restored with over $60,000 invested. National level show car shown twice at the Mopar Nationals. Sublime green. Broke down twice on the side of the road due to Hughes Engines' failures.

1966 Plymouth Belvedere II - 361 Big Block - Numbers matching - #1 of 4 made with options on car. Govier decoded. Waiting to go to paint shop. 74,300 miles. Half restored so far.

2005 Chrysler 300C - 220,000 miles and nothing has broke except for an EGR valve at 165,000.

1966 Dodge Charger - was 383, now 440 - midnight metallic blue.

1998 Dodge Ram V-10 Quad Cab Sport 4X4 long bed.

Just sold 1969 Road Runner with a 440.
 
Why cant you take him to court? He said he had to fire the guy and its your fault because you started the engine! Ah, what am i missing here, If i had one of you build me a engine i cant start it! A numbers matching engine messed up by a guy who does this for a living because of his hired help, That engine should have been checked out there, including dyno-ed for the HP/TQ so you know what you payed for.. i would think you would win.

Not starting the engine was my sarcasm, he didn't actually say that...that was a summary of his reaction.

He can't dyno it there because he does not have a dyno. He works out of his garage next to his house.

I will be looking into legal action come Monday morning.
 
Welcome OBTW. I live in Hebron area just down the road from you. My parents live in Walton.

I do agree you should have probably checked them out before deciding to go with them. That said however, I totally agree with what Ron73 said. Sue the MFER. You have since gotten a competent engine builder who could testify on your behalf. I wouldn't just be suing for what you paid for the engine either. I would be suing for the damages done to the numbers matching motor and all the additional costs of getting it done correctly. Consult an attorney and get their advice.

Also, as much as you don't want to hear this... If that numbers matching motor is good to go and this is a desireable car that could sell for a pretty penny, and it is finally "right", I would store it and put a different motor in it for playing around with.

Hello neighbor! I was thinking the same thing about the numbers matching engine. Now that I had to go .060 over, it can never be bored larger again. I have $60,000 in it and if it sold tomorrow it would likely bring no more than $45,000-$50,000. If the motor was lost and was no longer numbers matching...maybe $30,000. So I would have lost not only the money for the rebuild, but also the drop in value.
 
The answer here is going to Chenowth Speed and Machine in Morton Il. true Mopar guys who know there ****! Super nice people who are in to the hobby not just takeing your money. The place is a family shop with father and son doing the work. If thats not enough maybe seeing there 70 Roadrunner with a 578 c.i. Hemi would change your mind.
Moparpat2 you said Hughes is ripping people off again...... like they ever stopped...lol!

You are correct, they never stopped ripping people off. Nice ride by the way...

I have also heard nothing but positive things about Chenowith.
 
I am looking at Muscle Motors in Lansing Michigan for a stroker 440. Any opinions??
 
It seem the issues on the web Hughes stuff/parts & labor has some issues, until they fix what ever is happening, buy else were... I think if it was only 1 or 2 complaints, no big deal, but many, issues is a totally different story, this is being heard more & more on Mopar specific & other forums now... Too bad they used to be great quality parts, now I guess they are using bad or inferior parts or being supplied with them possibly & doing improper installations & having issues, according to several posters I've read lately, that makes them look really bad in my eyes... JMHO
 
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Chenowith

You are correct, they never stopped ripping people off. Nice ride by the way...

I have also heard nothing but positive things about Chenowith.

They are rigth near me and I know Mike Chenowith, they are very friendly guys and dont disrespect there customers. The good thing is they have no ties with Dave Hughes...and they are Mopar guys. My machine work will be done nowhere else. They also sell other parts besides motor parts and can usaully match prices, and if they cant they will tell you upfront and tell you who can do better on the price of the part you are looking for.
 
Wow! I'm shocked! Thanks for the heads up on them! I hope you somehow recover your money back. Sorry to hear about your #'s matching engine! In this day and age with computers and the internet.... bad news travels fast.
 
Just a side note to all this...It is also being played out on that "OTHER" forum as well as here. Not taking sides but I dare say that the OP and Dave @ Hughes are not completely telling the complete story here. As I understand it your build was done over 10 years ago for the motor. Why now the "RANT" after so long. If it were me and I had had the work done I would have checked out the results first thing rather than later...if that in fact is the case here...and had things corrected. For the record though I have done business with Hughes in the past. Purchased 2 Cams from them and the MOPAR specific lifters...believe .904 is correct for the lifters...and have had zero issues. Just for me I would like to see this played out more fully and that the whole truth on both sides comes out. Right now it is totally one-sided by both of them....IMHO
 
Yeah if its really 11 yrs old...You don't have much of a leg to stand on. Sure it could have been $hit out of the crate but can't take 11 yrs to figure that out.
 
We need to hear both sides of the story of course, the engine should have been fine as long as it was kept sealed (no moisture getting in) & the valve weren't adjusted (ruin the valve springs over that amount of time), the out of round bores & the parts failure are a bad sign though... Every shop has some issues from time to time, bad employees bad suppliers, bad parts, bad machine work, etc... It's on the owners to make sure everything with "his name on it" is up to "his standards", if he isn't doing that, it's kind of all his fault letting bad stuff go out the door no matter how often... A bad reputation is much harder to over come, than a short lived reputation for quality product... He has an employee that posts on For A bodies only forum, he claims it was an 11 year old build that is being talked about here & there & For E bodies only... I have some questions, was the engine just now installed? was the engine ever worked on by someone other than them or you? was any alteration done by you before this claim? was the engine tuned properly & all the torque specs checked by you &/or them both? was the engine stored properly? was the valves adjusted from them & left in that position for 11 years? sounds like some more facts need to come out... Problem is "this isn't the only complaint by far, about the quality coming out of that shop" , they did have a very good reputation 10-11 years ago, it's been soiled some of late... Hope it all works out... J-M-H-O
 
If the motor was built over 10 yrs ago MOPARPAT should

SHUT the F*** UP!

Nice talk. I would encourage you to spend all of your money at Hughes Engines.

This car is a trailer queen that does not ride the trailer. So since I keep the show car in storage and didn't run up the miles immediately then I have no reason to expect quality?

Time did not screw up the bores, Hughes engines did. Time did not cause the valve to seize, the valve guide did because it was improperly machined.
 
I totally understand where you are coming from with it being a VERY low milage car. But no one is going to honor a warranty that long nor can you expect them to. I guess it is what it is when you have cars like this.

But I would agree with you that the laundry list of crap the other engine builder found on a 3500 mile motor is ridiculous.
 
1967 Dodge Coronet R/T - 440 - Numbers matching #3 of 57 made with options on car. Govier decoded. Fully restored with over $60,000 invested. National level show car shown twice at the Mopar Nationals. Sublime green. Broke down twice on the side of the road due to Hughes Engines' failures.

Sublime? Dude, you claim a low production, documented, numbers matching yadda yadda, and you painted it Sublime? (You know that it doesn't qualify as restored, right?) Just sayin if your gonna b**ch about the money....

Anyhoo, I am sorry to hear about the issues you have/are having. I'm not sure that after this amount of time, anything good will result of it. I've been involved in quite a few builds that have taken time. Sometimes parts fail. Being the expanse of time, regardless of reason or fault, sometimes it's better to cut your losses, learn from it and move on. I didn't even fight with my ex this long before the divorce.
 
Sure thing. I added a picture of the car in question as my avatar picture. I haven't figured out how to upload pictures of my other Mopars.

1967 Dodge Coronet R/T - 440 - Numbers matching #3 of 57 made with options on car. Govier decoded. Fully restored with over $60,000 invested. National level show car shown twice at the Mopar Nationals. Sublime green. Broke down twice on the side of the road due to Hughes Engines' failures.

1966 Plymouth Belvedere II - 361 Big Block - Numbers matching - #1 of 4 made with options on car. Govier decoded. Waiting to go to paint shop. 74,300 miles. Half restored so far.

2005 Chrysler 300C - 220,000 miles and nothing has broke except for an EGR valve at 165,000.

1966 Dodge Charger - was 383, now 440 - midnight metallic blue.

1998 Dodge Ram V-10 Quad Cab Sport 4X4 long bed.

Just sold 1969 Road Runner with a 440.


Hey, my green 66 Belvedere II is a 361 car!! The 361 is long gone but now you have me wondering... I wouldn't mind knowing some more about it if you have the info.

Sorry to hear about your Hughes issues. I have never contacted them for anything so I can't say anything one way or the other.
 
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