Is Anybody Interested ???

[Bruzilla]

I have read your comment from above. Now i will admit that I really do have very poor literary skills and I am way to old to attempt to rectify that at this point in my life. I disagree with your way of thinking in a great number of ways. Some people actually are thankful to be able to get non ready available parts for cars they are trying to repair. Some people have very shallow minds and just like to hear their own thoughts. I do not know anything about you except for your input on this site. I do know that I personally have hunted parts for projects for a good many cars I have built or had part in the build. I am always thankful to all the folks that had assisted me in the process. I am a retired man that was successful in the work force so my 40 acres of land, my house, all my cars and my boat and everything else I own is mine and paid in full. On top of that I get my s.s. money every month like clock work so i do not need to be insulted for trying to aid other real car people. I try to help other car people with their needs in an effort to promote their success with their own projects. Then someone with the wrong way of thinking has to interject these negative thoughts and messes it up for all the other people. My friend that owns that crushing yard is a very wealthy man and he enjoys his work. He is also two years older than me and he gets s.s. money also. I have no clue as to the price of rusty scrap metal in Florida but from the prices you have listed in your post I think you don't either. My friend Mike said he will take every $200.00 clunker you care to drag across his scales. And yes if he can pull and sell some parts first that will be great as well. So if you are one of those guys daddy bought you everything you own then I'll be thanking you to keep your thoughts to yourself as they do not serve anyone any good on here. I do read peoples profile information they put on here and I see you have none. You may be better served if you at least take the time to read mine. I am not trying to be a used car salesman or a parts dealer I simply asked if any one needs stuff off of these and others before they meet their final day. Please at least try to phrase your comments in a less insulting and a more positive way. Thank you very Much.

Hi Trimmer. First, let's get off the moralistic high horse for a sec okay? Just like most everyone else on this forum, I have been helping my fellow Mopar bubbas find the parts they needed for decades. I'll even add that I remember when it would have been unthinkable to even consider charging guys for these parts, which is why to this day if I have parts I don't need, I look for someone to give them to, as do a lot of other people on here. So stop waving around your SS check like a flag. No one is impressed.

Second, I'm not a junk merchant, never claimed to be a junk merchant, and have no idea what the price per pound scrap is selling for these days. That's why I wrote "Let's say..." I know scrappers pay about $50 for a junker around here, so I'm guessing they're making four or so times that much, which is why I used $200 as a number. In any case, the price of scrap wasn't my point.

My point was all about your comment of "Last week i bought a '71 Dart Swinger from him. No it was not cheep, but I felt it to be worth what he had quoted me so it is now mine." I've dealt with a lot of yards over the years, and I've seen lots of cars like Swingers sitting there waiting to be scrapped. To the yard guys, they're just hulks waiting to be crushed, hauled, and sold for whatever the scrap value is. They don't get any more money per pound for scrapping a 71 Dart than they do an 80's LTD or a 90's Accord. So when I see a guy like you writing about how he's rescuing cars from the scrapper, a noble effort indeed, but then writes "no it was not cheap", I'm seeing once your buddy saw you were interested in that car, it's price went up, which is what usually happens in cases like this. Once someone shows an interest, that car went from being $200, or $600, or whatever $$$ worth of scrap value to being a car that could be sold for a premium price. And again to my point, I find it foolish to pay an elevated price for a car that was about to be scrapped, and wouldn't pay more than $100 or so over the scrap value.

What I would ask from you is provide what the scrap value for that car would have been, and how much you paid for it since I don't know what "it wasn't cheap" equates to. If your friend sold it to you for the scrap value, I would say he definitely is your friend. If he charged you $100 or $200 over scrap value, he was acting like a fair businessman. If he charged you more than that, he took advantage of the fact that you were interested in the car and charged you a premium, which is the danger in showing any interest in cars or parts with a scrapper.

 

[YY1]

I think the scrap value of a complete car around here is about $400.

I think $600 would probably be a fair price for both parties to save one.

That's 50% more than scrap value and an EXTREMELY EASY $200 for the crusher (and no labor to load, crush and unload).

What logic could the crusher possibly use against that (other than "now that you want it, I want $1500, or I scrap it)?

At that point you have to be ready to let it go, and let him lose that free and easy $200.
Might help to dangle some hundered dollar bills, preferably 4 in one hand and 2 in the other, wile saying repeatedly "which is more?".

 

[sublimegtx]

I could use the tail lights out of that 74' swinger ifthey're good and priced right.

Sent you a message

 

[Bruzilla]

I think the scrap value of a complete car around here is about $400.

I think $600 would probably be a fair price for both parties to save one.

That's 50% more than scrap value and an EXTREMELY EASY $200 for the crusher (and no labor to load, crush and unload).

What logic could the crusher possibly use against that (other than "now that you want it, I want $1500, or I scrap it)?

At that point you have to be ready to let it go, and let him lose that free and easy $200.
Might help to dangle some hundered dollar bills, preferably 4 in one hand and 2 in the other, wile saying repeatedly "which is more?".

Damn YY! I'm never selling a scrapper for $50 again!!!

 

[cr8crshr]

It is virtually impossible to save every car and part that one stumbles upon. Even in this guys crushing business. And from my observations, from the pics you took...and thank you by the way...a lot of that stuff is really quite rough and more like a lot more expensive to resto/recondition then most would be willing to undertake. Gotta remember here that the stuff out of your neck of the woods...I lived in LA/Panhandle...has more corrosion than the stuff out west. Just an observation is all and thanks for sharing. But for me , I will take a pass. Good luck though in your quest....cr8crshr/Tuck

 

[trimmer]

Hey Bruzilla, I am enclosing a photo of the Dart i bought. To clear it up for you it is a very complete car only missing the radiator. It has a 318 and a automatic trans., power steering and air. I paid the man that brought it to the scrap yard myself and Mike made zero off of it. He offered the man 400 for it and the man refused his offer. The man said he wanted 500 and that's what I paid. I felt as you do about the price of scrap verses what is good and what is junk. As you can easily see from this one photo it has a great looking nose on it and all that front end sheet metal will bolt right on my '71 Demon. I am also a member on FABO so I realize that the two front fenders are worth my 500 and I wont have to pay shipping plus I get a hood a perfect grill and bumper not to mention the other parts that will work on my Demon. And then I can still get 400 from Mike after I get done with the transfer. Makes sense to me.

As for my s.s. check, after working well over 45 years the government has seen fit to give me back a small portion of the money i have already given them and i am suppose to live on that amount of money. It's my money I have already earned it and they are allowing me to get a small amount of it back a little each month. They are not doing me a favor they are just giving me some of what they took. I am glad I have earned this but I also understand that if I do not live to be 79 years old I wont even receive what I have already paid. If I wasn't already financially stable I could not begin to live on that check alone, but understand s.s. is not a charity check it is money I have already paid in period.

I also think it is great that you give all your extra parts away, i am sure your friends appreciate it. Unfortunately none of these items belong to me so I can not give them away. On top of that somebody still has to remove clean and ship them out and I have never asked anybody to work for free. I still think you stepped off the deep end with trying to show me how fair trade works and the comparison of collector car values as compared to a few used parts. I hadn't realized asking a simple question was going to require me to have to write a book to explain myself, you could have just said " No thank you i am not interested". These parts don't cone around on an endless supply.

 

[snakeyes]

trimmer thanks for the heads up ,

 

[RustyRatRod]

Bill I would love that car for my 318. You can keep the engine and trans.

 

[696969]

View attachment 100601Hey Bruzilla, I am enclosing a photo of the Dart i bought.

Dang that looks straight. If it were mine, I'd keep the sleeper appearance as is and put a ***-whooping powertrain in it.

 

[MarPar]

Sent you a message

you sent yourself a message?? in the third person??

you post whore you!! lmao

 

[trimmer]

Bill I would love that car for my 318. You can keep the engine and trans.

Hey Rob I don't need the engine either. I think I had shown you my Demon when you were here and I am gonna put the nose off that Dart on it. The nose of the Demon is not all that bad but not as nice as the Dart. I have always liked the Demons, I reckon the Devil made me do it. lol

 

[RustyRatRod]

Yeah. I remember. So that's the Dart you were talkin about. The front end looks good. It'll look good on the Demon too.

 

[trimmer]

I would like to take a minute to thank everyone for their input on this thread, so Thanks. Also I want to apologize to BRUZILLA for being a little rough on you. I do realize you only meant well and were trying to help.

Also in an effort to be fair and not rip anyone off if you see a part on these cars you need then you put a price on it. You know how much you need it and what you are willing to give for it. If you buy something from me and it is not what you expected it to be I will refund your money when you ship the parts back to me. Mike has left it up to me to price this stuff and I ain't got a clue how to place a value on stuff i don't need for myself. If it is a $20 part offer me $20 if it is a $100 part offer me that. Please don't offer me $20 for a $100 part or $100 for a $20 part. Nobody on my end is trying to be unfair, but you will have to pay the shipping as well as the part price or you are welcome to come see me and pick it up yourself.

I have tried to answer all the pm's but if I haven't answered yours please wait, i will get to it.

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Pictures for Larry.

 

[RustyRatRod]

Bill, what are you gonna do with the rest of the 71 and how is the rest? Is it straight? Not a lotta rust?

 

[ply64post]

Cars

Hey in our area cars are at $11.00 per 100# this week.

 

[Bruzilla]

View attachment 100601Hey Bruzilla, I am enclosing a photo of the Dart i bought. To clear it up for you it is a very complete car only missing the radiator. It has a 318 and a automatic trans., power steering and air. I paid the man that brought it to the scrap yard myself and Mike made zero off of it. He offered the man 400 for it and the man refused his offer. The man said he wanted 500 and that's what I paid. I felt as you do about the price of scrap verses what is good and what is junk. As you can easily see from this one photo it has a great looking nose on it and all that front end sheet metal will bolt right on my '71 Demon. I am also a member on FABO so I realize that the two front fenders are worth my 500 and I wont have to pay shipping plus I get a hood a perfect grill and bumper not to mention the other parts that will work on my Demon. And then I can still get 400 from Mike after I get done with the transfer. Makes sense to me.

As for my s.s. check, after working well over 45 years the government has seen fit to give me back a small portion of the money i have already given them and i am suppose to live on that amount of money. It's my money I have already earned it and they are allowing me to get a small amount of it back a little each month. They are not doing me a favor they are just giving me some of what they took. I am glad I have earned this but I also understand that if I do not live to be 79 years old I wont even receive what I have already paid. If I wasn't already financially stable I could not begin to live on that check alone, but understand s.s. is not a charity check it is money I have already paid in period.

I also think it is great that you give all your extra parts away, i am sure your friends appreciate it. Unfortunately none of these items belong to me so I can not give them away. On top of that somebody still has to remove clean and ship them out and I have never asked anybody to work for free. I still think you stepped off the deep end with trying to show me how fair trade works and the comparison of collector car values as compared to a few used parts. I hadn't realized asking a simple question was going to require me to have to write a book to explain myself, you could have just said " No thank you i am not interested". These parts don't cone around on an endless supply.

Again, let's get off the high horse. With all due respect, you've completely changed your story! Your initial post said "I have a very good friend that owns a crushing yard close to me here in the beautiful state of Alabama. He averages smashing a few hundred cars and trucks every month for at least the last thirty years I have known him. It is his business and he enjoys every bit of it. He is constantly bringing in different cars that he tries to sell or part out before they go into his crusher. Some of those cars could and should be saved and repaired. He is allowing me to try to sell or part out the ones i feel have a value beyond the actual price of junk.I have saved many of them myself, but i can not afford to buy every one of them. Last week i bought a '71 Dart Swinger from him. No it was not cheep, but I felt it to be worth what he had quoted me so it is now mine."

In your initial post, you said you bought the car from your scrapper buddy, but you're now saying you bought the car from a guy who was trying to sell the car to the scrapper and when the scrapper didn't meet the guy's price you did. That's a totally different situation! My point was, and is, that buying parts from a scrapper is often a self-defeating effort because once the scrapper knows you want something, that scrap car is no longer scrap. But in this case the scrapper never had the car. You paid $500 for that car, and I think that's a great and fair price. I think $500 for a nice straight car that's just missing a radiator is a heck of a deal, and I think most guys here would agree that price was cheap. I know my local scrapper is one of those guys who would want $2,000+ for a car like that, and I know there are guys who would buy them, which goes to my initial point. I gotta wonder what that car would have cost you had your friend bought it for $400, then you told him you wanted to buy it. I'm guessing you wouldn't have gotten it for $500.

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And from my observations, from the pics you took...and thank you by the way...a lot of that stuff is really quite rough and more like a lot more expensive to resto/recondition then most would be willing to undertake.

I would agree with that assessment, but I know lots of guys who aren't interested in restoring their car. They just want to get it back on the road. The rear bumper of my road runner was good, it had no dents but a lot of that dimple rust that occurs over time, but I wanted a rechromed one. When I got it I was just going to scrap my old one, but I came across a guy in GA who had nothing but a beat to hell painted bumper and he made the long drive to my house just to get what I considered to be junk. Parts like what Trimmer is showing would only be a problem for someone who wants to restore them, but for a guy who's got parts that look worse, or nothing at all, they're a great deal.

 

[Lowhound]

Cant we all just get along? (Rodney King)

 

[RustyRatRod]

Bruzilla, what is it with you? Do you have to nitpick every situation until you make yourself right? I've never seen anybody have to be right about everything as much as you. Beats anything I've ever seen. WTF difference does it make who Bill got the car from? It was GOING to be crushed and he bought it. End of story, over and out. If you're like this to your family, I bet you're one hell of a sumbee to live with.

 

[Bruzilla]

It's simple Rusty. In being involved with this hobby for the past 30+ years, there isn't too much I haven't seen. This includes individual aspects of it as well as trends. Some trends are great, some are not, but when I see or hear about something that goes against the norm, I want to know more about it because I know if it's something that's genuinely new it'll be of great benefit to everyone in the hobby.

In this case, if a guy has an in with a scrapper and can get parts and/or cars saved instead of scrapping; and can get them for a modest price over scrap value, that's a wonderful thing! The trends I've seen is a car can be slated for the scrapper, and worth its scrap value, but the moment you go to that scrapper and say "I want to save that car, would you sell it to me?", that car's value just jumped big time. This is why when Trimmer said his car wasn't cheap, that followed with the trend of a scrapper upping the price well above scrap value, which is why I initially wrote that efforts like this are usually self-defeating. But then the story changed to Trimmer not buying the car from the scrapper, but from a third party, and that's a big difference.

What you call "nitpicking" is my wanting to get the whole story. A scrapper selling cars for scrap value or just above is a HUGE variation from the norm and a great help to the community. A scrapper selling cars with a steep mark-up is typical, which is why I wanted that point clarified as there are lots of new guys who are new to the hobby reading what gets written on this forum, and are looking for ways to work on their cars without breaking the bank and I want to make sure they're getting the right info. In this case Trimmer got a great deal on a really nice car, paid $500 for a car, which I think we would all say isn't free but is a pretty cheap price, but he didn't buy the car from a scrapper. So I think the takeaway for the new guys here is not to go hitting up the local scrapper for a deal, but keep looking for that guy who's about to make the decision to take the car to the scrapper... a lesson most of us older guys learned years ago.

 

[trimmer]

Hey Bruzilla this is my last attempt to clear up your confusion. Mike owns a number of used car lots as well as a couple wrecking yards and a number of other businesses as well as the crushing place. He wrote the check for the Dart to the man that had it on the trailer after I told him i would go home and bring him the money back. I am sorry that your particular scrap yard treats you in the way you have described. If I had been treated that way i would find another place to do my business with. I recommend you do the same.

If you intend to dissect and analyze everything i put on these posts then my friend you are just wasting my time as well as the time of people that may really need some of these parts.I have also noticed you have been on this site about a year and have over 1900 posts as opposed to my three and a half years and my 191 posts. I did try to cut you a little slack but right this moment I am asking myself why. it does appear you have an opinion on everything and you sir are entitled to it, but that in no makes your opinion the right one. I will gladly display my credentials anytime the need arises. Do you know anything at all about automobiles or do you just enjoy being a insulting individual ? I have no opposition if I am the very first person you put on your block list.