Lithium blows up real good in Frederick, MO

[Mopar Hunter]

Sad, glad to hear nobody got hurt.

 

[Coronet_Arch]

The idea of a fire suppression system is to contain a fire so everyone can get out of the building. That is the reason they are called fire supression systems not extingushing systems. Only in the movies do sprinklers put out the fires. There are systems that put out fires totally but they are only used in commercial range hoods and computer rooms. They are generally set off manually as you leave the building.

 

[1 Wild R/T]

The idea of a fire suppression system is to contain a fire so everyone can get out of the building. That is the reason they are called fire supression systems not extingushing systems. Only in the movies do sprinklers put out the fires. There are systems that put out fires totally but they are only used in commercial range hoods and computer rooms. They are generally set off manually as you leave the building.

And aboard Navy ships... Everyone on board is trained on fire fighting but engineering spaces & ammo/weapons areas have full CO2 flood systems... But they are manually activated cause you don't use them if anyone is still alive in the space....

 

[33 IMP]

And aboard Navy ships... Everyone on board is trained on fire fighting but engineering spaces & ammo/weapons areas have full CO2 flood systems... But they are manually activated cause you don't use them if anyone is still alive in the space....

A man in charge of one of the turrets on HMS Lion received the Victoria Cross (posthumously) for ordering the magazine flooded, after it was hit. He crawled to the telephone after having both legs blown off, and saved the ship. (WW1, Jutland.)
Three other british battle cruisers blew up that day, (and an armored cruiser), from the same sort of hit as the Lion, with the loss of over a 1000 men each. One had two survivors, one had six, one had (if I remember right) fifteen.
There were definitely men alive in the magazine when it was flooded.

 

[1 Wild R/T]

Yeah, there are certainly exceptions to the rule...

A man in charge of one of the turrets on HMS Lion received the Victoria Cross (posthumously) for ordering the magazine flooded, after it was hit. He crawled to the telephone after having both legs blown off, and saved the ship. (WW1, Jutland.)
Three other british battle cruisers blew up that day, (and an armored cruiser), from the same sort of hit as the Lion, with the loss of over a 1000 men each. One had two survivors, one had six, one had (if I remember right) fifteen.
There were definitely men alive in the magazine when it was flooded.

 

[moparedtn]

The idea of a fire suppression system is to contain a fire so everyone can get out of the building. That is the reason they are called fire supression systems not extingushing systems. Only in the movies do sprinklers put out the fires. There are systems that put out fires totally but they are only used in commercial range hoods and computer rooms. They are generally set off manually as you leave the building.

Well....yes and no.
After 40+ years at it, I've personally witnessed several fires that were entirely (or damn near entirely)
extinguished by the fire sprinklers present - leaving the FD to merely verify the fire was out, then shut off the water once
they arrived.
I like that scenario. A lot. The one where no humans actually are at risk fighting a fire. Makes me real happy.

By the same token, a kitchen suppression systems' primary directive is to contain any grease/oil fires underhood and not
spreading to adjoining areas. I've witnessed a ton of those also however - and a properly designed and maintained one
will in fact knock the fire out underhood, as long as the shunt trip properly activates to shut off the gas flow to burners
(or in some cases, the power to electric elements).

Oh, computer/IT rooms? I got stories, man.... halon is a motherflucker, for example - but I've actually been in a room
when Intergen was activated. Not pleasant, but perfectly survivable and representative of many of the gases out there
these days (FM200, for example).

Finally, no - I've never seen Hollywood correctly depict the actual function of a fire sprinkler system.

And aboard Navy ships... Everyone on board is trained on fire fighting but engineering spaces & ammo/weapons areas have full CO2 flood systems... But they are manually activated cause you don't use them if anyone is still alive in the space....

CO2 is damn near as scary as the old halon - in some ways, even more so - but it remains a lower cost alternative in some
industrial applications to this day as well as any marine ones. Cheap to maintain, too.
That said, it relies on the same principle as any gas-based suppression - namely, the area being protected has to reach a
certain percentage concentration of the agent FAST in order to be effective, which is why it isn't used in large open areas - or
areas not airtight enough for it to be functional.

Back in the day, I was fairly adept at some of the old mist systems used on ships at one point and would make an annual
trip down to the Norfolk/Hampton Roads area to inspect many of those.
Sadly, I've long since forgotten a lot about those...

 

[1 Wild R/T]

Well....yes and no.
After 40+ years at it, I've personally witnessed several fires that were entirely (or damn near entirely)
extinguished by the fire sprinklers present - leaving the FD to merely verify the fire was out, then shut off the water once
they arrived.
I like that scenario. A lot. The one where no humans actually are at risk fighting a fire. Makes me real happy.

By the same token, a kitchen suppression systems' primary directive is to contain any grease/oil fires underhood and not
spreading to adjoining areas. I've witnessed a ton of those also however - and a properly designed and maintained one
will in fact knock the fire out underhood, as long as the shunt trip properly activates to shut off the gas flow to burners
(or in some cases, the power to electric elements).

Oh, computer/IT rooms? I got stories, man.... halon is a motherflucker, for example - but I've actually been in a room
when Intergen was activated. Not pleasant, but perfectly survivable and representative of many of the gases out there
these days (FM200, for example).

Finally, no - I've never seen Hollywood correctly depict the actual function of a fire sprinkler system.


CO2 is damn near as scary as the old halon - in some ways, even more so - but it remains a lower cost alternative in some
industrial applications to this day as well as any marine ones. Cheap to maintain, too.
That said, it relies on the same principle as any gas-based suppression - namely, the area being protected has to reach a
certain percentage concentration of the agent FAST in order to be effective, which is why it isn't used in large open areas - or
areas not airtight enough for it to be functional.

Back in the day, I was fairly adept at some of the old mist systems used on ships at one point and would make an annual
trip down to the Norfolk/Hampton Roads area to inspect many of those.
Sadly, I've long since forgotten a lot about those...

When I was in the Navy I served in engineering spaces (Imagine that) onboard the ship I last served on there was a bank of 28 large CO2 cylinders right at the bottom of the ladder leading into/out of the engine room... Hit the button & all 28 cylinders would dump their contents & the damper on the main ventilation would slam shut... If someone hits that button you either wanted to be up that ladder or wearing an OBA..

 

[moparedtn]

When I was in the Navy I served in engineering spaces (Imagine that) onboard the ship I last served on there was a bank of 28 large CO2 cylinders right at the bottom of the ladder leading into/out of the engine room... Hit the button & all 28 cylinders would dump their contents & the damper on the main ventilation would slam shut... If someone hits that button you either wanted to be up that ladder or wearing an OBA..

Yep, like I said - CO2 takes a lot of it, delivered in an instant, to be effective - it literally suffocates a fire.
Does a similar job on a human, too.

 

[Detective D]

This really is a shame.
Looking past the immediate area, I wonder how this will impact prices on related products.

Also, been a while since I paid attention, I wonder if this got started on the roof again like the dozen or so food packaging plants in the last few years......

 

[Photon440]

This really is a shame.
Looking past the immediate area, I wonder how this will impact prices on related products.

Also, been a while since I paid attention, I wonder if this got started on the roof again like the dozen or so food packaging plants in the last few years......

It may not have a large impact on battery prices; it was a recycling plant, not a manufacturer.